//Okay, so I find this all very interesting, so a few thoughts/canon/headcanon re: Lestat’s dialect in French and how his French changed/evolved over the years.
-Lestat is born and raised in the Auvergne, which means his French patois is ‘Auvergnat,’ which is a branch of Occitan, a dialect of mostly Provence. This dialect, if you’ve never heard it, is NOTHING like the Parisian French that most of us learn in school, nor is it similar to what would have been spoken in Paris at the time (18th century). Here is an Auvergnat lullaby, and here is what Auvergnat sounds like, around 4:17. Here is an example of L’Occitane.
-Lestat then moves to Paris with Nicolas, and spends quite some time there (I don’t have my book on me). His French of COURSE would have changed, as he’d have been mercilessly teased for his dialect, which would have sounded ‘country’ to the people of Paris. Personally, I headcanon Nicolas’ old Uni friends making fun of Lestat’s dialect and Lestat forcing Nicolas to help him with his Parisian French, but that’s not canon, just my thoughts.
-Lestat then relocates to New Orleans around 1791, a time when Louisiana actually belongs to Spain. The French that Louis de Pointe du Lac is going to be speaking here is a whole OTHER kind of French, probably colored by a number of things: Spanish colonists, French colonists, and the patois of the Haitian peoples who also live there. You can read more about Louisiana French here. I headcanon that Lestat definitely learned the patois of New Orleans, especially since he lived there for around 70 years. By the time he meets Louis, his French is an amalgam of at least two different dialects, though the French he’d speak to the Marquis would have been Auvergnat. It’s a testimony to the fact that Louis must have immigrated while very young (hilariously, Louis is NOT actually Créole), b/c I highly doubt he’d recognize the dialect.
-Lestat then learns English from, as he calls it, ‘flatboatmen’ on the Mississippi and comic books, which is hilarious, and pretty much accounts for his tone.
TL:DR; I just feel very strongly about language, especially the evolution of each of these characters, and I love imagining how their capacities for language and dialect have evolved.
It’s called copula deletion, or zero copula. Many languages and dialects, including Ancient Greek and Russian, delete the copula (the verb to be) when the context is obvious.
So an utterance like “you a bitch” in AAVE is not an example of a misused you, but an example of a sentence that deletes the copular verb (are), which is a perfectly valid thing to do in that dialect, just as deleting an /r/ after a vowel is a perfectly valid thing to do in an upper-class British dialect.
What’s more, it’s been shown that copula deletion occurs in AAVE exactly in those contexts where copula contraction occurs in so-called “Standard American English.” That is, the basic sentence “You are great” can become “You’re great” in SAE and “You great” in AAVE, but “I know who you are” cannot become “I know who you’re” in SAE, and according to reports, neither can you get “I know who you” in AAVE.
In other words, AAVE is a set of grammatical rules just as complex and systematic as SAE, and the widespread belief that it is not is nothing more than yet another manifestation of deeply internalized racism.
This is the most intellectual drag I’ve ever read.
I mean, you can google these terms yourself, too, why are you coming to me (or that anon)?
I can only guess. Maybe it’s bc (A) you’re genuinely curious and you enjoy the way I answer things (whether you agree with me or not isn’t relevant), or (B) you’re looking to stir some shit bc that’s what this site does best, exacerbate disagreement bc ACTIVISM.
I didn’t invent these words and have no need to defend them, you’re forcing me to make a post that could easily offend Europeans or people who identify as fops, and/or both. I’m not interested in making potential Offense Fodder.
There was a time in fandom that I could just take this at face value and assume that you’re genuinely curious and you enjoy the way I answer things, so that’s how I’m responding, since I’m not interested in making potential Offense Fodder.
A Eurotrash Fop might look like this:
[X] OP @alternativepurple tagged it as: #fashion #rococo #artistic #gentleman #retro #make-up #makeup #make up #aristocrat #elegant aristocrat
^These are positive tags, I’d say, and I’d agree. There are more positive tags in reblogs of that post, like “#inspiration”. But there is also definitely a poking-fun-at about this, this model is so heavily slathered in makeup that the powder has fallen on their clothing and hair ribbon too, the blush is unnaturally red on their cheekbone and it’s even purposefully on their chin, they have so much lace on that it might get in the way of using their gloved hand in some way. It’s intentionally overdone, and I think it’s gorgeous in it’s overdoneness.
In context, I think the Anon you refer to meant “Eurotrash fop” in gentle mockery: “and we need diversity in an ocean of white Eurotrash fops!” There’s a sense of humor there in the image of a literal ocean of heavily made-up people, all jostling together in their fancy clothes.
^This is a crowd pic from the Shining which I brightened up to make it more of an ocean of fancy-dressed white people, which is what Anon was basically talking about. I think in the Shining it was mocking the crowd as an ocean of faces, too, that Jack Torrance had been swallowed by the Overlook and blends in
A human sub-phylum characterized by its apparent affluence, worldliness, social affectation and addiction to fashion. Males are characterized by a semi-slovenly appearance (including half-shaven faces), greasy hair, rib-hugging shirts, tight jeans and loafers worn without socks. Women are easily distinguished by anorexia, over-bleached hair, gaudy jewelry, plastic surgery (particularly breast-enlargement) and their attachment to the male species. Both sexes greet each other with “air kisses,” immediately speak of their last trip (often Paris, Rome, Majorca), spend hours at “see-and-be-seen” restaurants and exhibit a world-weariness and pained sense of irony.
^Sounds about right as far as I know the word, although harsher in judgement than actual living people I’ve known who shamelessly self-identified as Eurotrash.
Fop became a pejorative term for a foolish man excessively concerned with his appearance and clothes in 17th-century England. Some of the very many similar alternative terms are coxcomb,[1] fribble, popinjay (meaning ‘parrot’), fashion-monger, and ninny. Macaroni was another term, of the 18th century, more specifically concerned with fashion.
A modern-day fop may also be a reference to a foolish person who is excessively concerned about his clothing, luxuries, minor details, refined language and leisurely hobbies. He is generally incapable of engaging in conversations, activities or thoughts without the idealism of aesthetics or pleasures.
^Both of those words sound like they could apply to many of the VC characters.
I’ll repeat myself: When we joke about characters, that’s not to say that that’s always a negative act. Look, we’re currently dragging Lestat bc he said IN CANON that he loved being called a “slut,” which is really more of a layered commentary on shaming people for enjoying sex/intimacy, and he refuses to be shamed for it, he’ll turn around and take it as a compliment instead 😉 Same goes for calling him a “Eurotrash fop.” It’s teasing. It’s intended to amuse. It falls under Dark Humor or Black Comedy. If that’s not your thing, that’s fine, but it is a thing, and I like that thing.
A form of humor involving a twist or joke making the joke seen as offensive, harsh, horrid. Yet the joke is still funny. You need to have pension for dark humor in order to find it truly funny. In a way, it could be seen as the jokes are so horrible in their twist that it makes it funny.
Black comedy,also known as dark comedy or gallows humor,is a comic style that makes light of subject matter that is generally considered taboo, particularly subjects that are normally considered serious or painful to discuss such as death. Some comedians use it as a tool for exploring vulgar issues, thus provoking discomfort and serious thought as well as amusement in their audience. Popular themes of the genre include violence (murder, abuse, domestic violence, rape, torture, war, genocide, terrorism, corruption), discrimination (chauvinism, racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia), disease (anxiety, depression, suicide, nightmares, drug abuse, mutilation, disability, terminal illness, insanity), sexuality (sodomy, homosexuality, incest, infidelity, fornication), religion and barbarism.
ambedo n. a kind of melacholic trance in which you become completely absorbed in vivid sensory details—raindrops skittering down a window, tall trees leaning in the wind, clouds of cream swirling in your coffee—which leads to a dawning awareness of the haunting fragility of life
Fun fact: If you google “Those who must be kept”, this is the second picture to come up… and it was done by me… in December 2009. That’s 8 years ago!! And I still kind of like it. A lot.
The clothing is all wrong, of course…
I remember how proud I was about the texts having some meaning… I cheated a lot and just copied existing texts and changed some words in them… and added some “I’ll just write it like usual but with a hierogyph-font”…
It sais something like this:
at their feet
Left: “Mother of Gods” “Full Of Magic” “Ruler Of The Universe” Akasha
Right: “Ruler Of Eternity” “Great God” “The Perfect One” “First Son” Enkil
on the left See! They are the Beginning. She is the Mother. He is the Father. Those Who Must Be Kept. Protect and enshrine them, the progenitors of all vampires. They are our destiny.
*Beloved Son Marius, for us you give your freedom and your love. We will always remember you.*
They are the Beginning.
*** All those Names are the Names used for Isis and Osiris. (Except the “first son”)
(On a sidenote and before people come at me and accuse me of whitewashing: Read the books: As vampires they had Alabaster skin. On this picture they are supposed to have been vampires for quite some time already. So cut my younger self some slack, ‘kay?)
This is how we had our very fist contact… in 2010!!
Beautiful! I love these kind of stories!
(I’m sorry you felt you needed to add the side note about POC. This is a hotly debated thing. 1) AR was adhering to the vampire physiology rules she had already set in place in the first few books, that vampire skin becomes lighter with age, and 2) we do not know definitively what color mortal!Akasha’s skin would have been, given that not all Egyptians are necessarily dark skinned. Rami Malek, for example, is a light-skinned Egyptian-American).
English: I love you
Slovak : Milujem ťa
Finnish: Panisin
Slovenian: Ljubim te
Danish: Jeg elsker dig
Portuguese: Amo-te
Tagalog: Kantotan tayo
Punjabi: Panchod chup kar
Somali: Dhillo iska amus
Arabic: انتا حمار
Spanish: quiero que te ahogues con mi pene
Bangla: Tumi ekta kuthar bacha
Indonesian : Aku cinta kamu
Hindi: Mein ghadhe ka bacha hoon
Pashto: spey pashante khkarey
Urdu: Mujhay tum say mohabbat hai
Tamil: Po da mairu pudungi
Malayalam: Patti kazhuda de mone
Kannada: Nind tale nal gobra thumbide
Telugu: Nee muddilo manta petta
Azeri: Seviram Sani
Russian: иди на хуй (idi na houy)
Bosnian: Mrš u pičku materinu
Marathi: Mi tula prem karate/karato
Kurdish: Ez te hezdikhem
Chinese: 你是个混蛋
Greek: είσαι μαλάκας (ise malakas)
German: Opfere mir dein Erstgeborenes
Swedish: Ät min röv
Romanian: Te iubesc
Norwegian: Jeg elsker deg
Polish : Kocham cię
French : je veux m’étouffer sur ta bite
Lithuanian: Aš myliu tave
Korean: 사랑해 (sa rang hae)
Hungarian: szeretlek
Dutch: Blijf met je vieze tengels van mijn fiets af
Italian: sei un caga coglioni
Hebrew: אני אוהב אותך
Estonia: Ma armastan sind
Latvina: Es tevi mīlu
Croatian: volim te
Japanese: あなたのチンコと遊びたいです。
Latin: amo te
Turkish: Seni seviyorum
The actual smell of rain comes from plants. When plants are in drought they produce oils in replacement for waters. When the time comes and it finally starts raining the plants get their needed water and they release these oils in the air and the smell of that oil is what we call smell of rain