Speaking to the connotations of race, it’s interesting that people in the fandom want to make Daniel the black character when for so many years, a goodly bulk of this fandom has only attributive Daniel as having any value to the story when he’s attached to Armand, or made him the butt of crazy jokes. It seems awfully suspicious to me that the “best’ character” to be cast as a POC is the one so many have considered the throw-away one. If that doesn’t speak volumes, I don’t know what does.

Race. *sigh* I keep revisiting this ask, and each time I do I feel more and more like I don’t want to engage as there are so many landmines. 

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I didn’t get into fandom for landmines, and so I maneuver around them, and the reason I’m answering this at all is for those who are thinking about topics like these but are too afraid to respond for fear of the landmines.

I’m responding bc I feel like if sharing my perspective could make just one person feel better about this, then it’s worth the risk and worth my time and effort.


THAT SAID, I’m not sure which post you’re referring to, Anon, but there was one a few weeks ago in which another Anon asked/said:

I’m up for Daniel being Black in the adaptation. His race isn’t mentioned specifically in the books, and we need diversity in an ocean of white Eurotrash fops! I don’t see any reason why not and Bryan cast the lead in American Gods as black so I’m hopeful to see some good changes in Anne’s work. What do you think?

^Here’s one person who wants to cast Daniel as POC/Black, and they seemed to be accentuating the positive. They want diversity. They compared him to the lead from American Gods being cast as black. I don’t watch that show so I don’t know if that character is the “butt of crazy jokes” or only has value being attached to another character, but it seems to me, at face value, that this Anon thinks that Daniel being cast as POC/Black is parallel with the lead of another series being cast as POC/Black, this Anon states that as being a good change.

I answered that Anon more in depth with some historical context, so you can look at that response, but basically, Anne is open to casting POC for VC characters. I’m open to it! I trust in whoever is running the adaptation to produce it in a tasteful and respectful way, and updating it to be inspiring and satisfying to a wider audience would be great, however that happens. 

TL:DR;  I think people do care about Daniel, and would love to see a character that they care about, like Daniel, be cast as a POC as a good thing. Daniel is not perfect (none of them are! Except Mojo) but he has many positive traits: he’s clever, resourceful, sassy, charismatic, capable of loving and being loved in return. I think people would love for the adaptation to show that those traits can absolutely be found in POC, too. We do need more positive representation like that.

Reminder that this is a fandom blog for entertainment and I am not here to make/agree/disagree with political statements that are potentially inflammatory. Not my focus. But I will address your points to some extent.


Speaking to the connotations of race, it’s interesting that people in the fandom want to make Daniel the black character 

I haven’t seen an enormous amount of people in the fandom wanting this change, I think one blog is dedicated to it? I’ve mostly seen interest and support for casting a POC as Akasha, since that casting in movie!QOTD was pretty widely praised. I see people talking about considering casting other characters as POC, but I don’t see anyone other than Akasha as being the main character of interest for that. 

One could criticize that choice as being bad, as it could imply that POC/Black women are villains, bc she was a villain in that movie. That’s not the message I took from that casting choice, but one could easily argue that that was a message being sent (and therefore, Bad representation, even though she was cast as a character in a position of power).

when for so many years, a goodly bulk of this fandom has only attributive Daniel as having any value to the story when he’s attached to Armand, or made him the butt of crazy jokes. 

“for so many years” covers decades of time, these books have been around since 1976. Reflecting back to when I started in this in 1993 (which was already almost 20 yrs late), I can’t say that any character has escaped being the butt of crazy jokes in all this time, and with the nature of shipping, many of the characters seem to only have value when attached to other characters. 

Re: shipping: it seems like ships are more prevalent in fanworks than fanworks portraying the characters on their own, and so it may give the impression that fandom “prefers the characters as part of a ship,” but personally, I think of shipping as the collision of 2 (or more) characters, to see how they’ll interact: in happiness, sadness, anger, all the different ways! Writing about a ship can allow a fanartist/writer/etc. to explore how each member of the ship will react in

actions/words/etc.

to the other’s actions/words/etc. So I can see how you might get the impression that “Daniel only has value as being attached to Armand,” but I think it’s more about how Daniel presents himself when he is with Armand, that’s what the fanworks are exploring.

Along those lines, however you interpret that ship, the bulk of Daniel’s post-IWTV “screentime” was in QOTD, with Armand, and after that, Daniel doesn’t get much action in canon until the more recent books (but even then, not as much as in QOTD). As the fandom does tend to ship Daniel with Armand, and plenty of it that I’ve seen (especially in fanart) is somewhat fluffy, again, I can see why you might get the impression that “he’s only valued when attached to Armand,” but really, I think Daniel/Armand shippers are fascinated with the dynamic of that ship. It’s rarely fluffy in canon. So some of them make fanworks for wish fulfillment, and that’s valid. 

Personally, I don’t think Daniel’s only value to the story is when he’s attached to Armand, but again, he spends most of his time in canon with Armand, maybe that’s why the fandom doesn’t tend to write him on his own time separately. 

Re: being the “butt of crazy jokes”: As a side note, when we joke about characters, that’s not to say that that’s always a negative act. Look, we’re currently dragging Lestat bc he said IN CANON that he loved being called a “slut,” which is really more of a layered commentary on shaming people for enjoying sex/intimacy, and he refuses to be shamed for it, he’ll turn around and take it as a compliment instead 😉

I’ve been in this fandom for over 20 years and I don’t think Daniel has gotten the worst treatment in those terms, it seems to me that there have been waves of love/interest/disdain/mockery of most of the main (and side) characters at different points in time, and from different groups of fans. So that may be your experience, and that’s absolutely valid, but I haven’t seen it that way. Of all the characters, I think Lestat probably gets the worst of being the butt of crazy jokes and he likes it bc bad attention is better than no attention.

It seems awfully suspicious to me that the “best’ character” to be cast as a POC is the one so many have considered the throw-away one. If that doesn’t speak volumes, I don’t know what does.

I’m sorry, but I have to disagree here, too. I wouldn’t say he’s a throw-away character for the whole fandom. There are Daniel RPers. As I’ve mentioned, it happens that he doesn’t have a lot of action in canon other than in books 1 (as just the interviewer, but it counts!) and 3, so the fandom does not have as much canon to work with as they do for other characters.

And again, re: the fandom choosing him as “the best character” to be cast as a POC, that seems to be Akasha, from what I’ve seen. 

Relevant to this discussion: there was a wave of love for Nicolas a few years back, for the same reasons, I think, that  @mendedpixie7 felt about Adam in Only Lovers Left Alive:

The reason I love Only Lovers Left Alive is it shows that a character (Adam) can be severely mentally ill, in this case depressed and suicidal, and still be seen as lovable and capable of being loved and loving in return without being “cured” of their mental illness, and that a mentally ill character can have other attributes aside from being mentally ill while still showing the impact being mentally ill has on his personality.

Adam from OLLA is an extremely important character to me you guys.

Similarly, I think people would love to see a character that they care about, like Daniel, be cast as a POC as being POC is often portrayed negatively in media. Fans of a POC being cast as Daniel would want (I’m paraphrasing from above): 

to see

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showing that a character can be POC, in this case black, and still be seen as lovable and capable of being loved and loving in return, and that a POC character can have other attributes aside from being POC while still showing the impact being POC has on his personality. 

Daniel Molloy from VC is an extremely important character to me you guys.

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economiadelpensamiento:

                                                                                                       — Marius. Coming Together.

         Someone was waiting here in this little room for him, someone whose presence he had been unable, except by the most ordinary means, to detect. A figure who stood behind him now. 

         How many times over the years had he dreamed of such a reunion, and he had never had the courage for it; and now on this battlefield, in this time of ruin and upheaval, they were at last to meet. 

—The Queen of The Damned – The Vampire Chronicles.

myst-l-vie:

Okay… inspired by @i-want-my-iwtv – here are the four things that I like/love about the Queen of the Damned movie

1. Aaliyah as Akasha – this was my introduction to Aaliyah and it was a damn good introduction. Firstly, she looked stunning. That’s how I imagine Akasha would look like. And, despite the poor script, Aaliyah gave it her all and I really enjoyed her performance. 

2. The score – I’m a sucker for a good music score, and QOTD is no exception. I love the violins (On the Beach sounds epic) and the overall theme, that’s included in Forsaken, sounds really cool. 

3. The soundtrack – I freaking love this soundtrack! I love the artists’ versions that were on the official soundtrack but i also love Jonathan Davis’ versions that are heard in the movie (there was some problems behind the scenes that Davis couldn’t release his versions on the official soundtrack – something like that) Also it has the Deftones! Who are awesome! 

4. The music video for Forsaken – it’s an homage to the Cabinet of Dr. Caligari. What’s not to love about that? The sets, the lighting – it’s so freaking cool! And again, it’s a good song. 

And there you go 🙂

RIGHT all of the above! And I forgot about #4! They get points for that, for sure ;D he looks p cute ‘n spoopy here:

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So I know that Anne Rice didn’t think tom would make a good Lestat but then ended up loving his performance. But did she ever make a public comment about QOTD? I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone mention anything like that

Yep, Anne reversed her opinion on Tom’s performance, but she did not care for QOTD. 

Someone out there might have more time-relevant sources to link to (reblog/comment if you do!), I found this vid on YT from 2009, looks like Anne released it herself, so she can speak to this in her own words.

“Well, I didn’t care for the movie of “the Queen of the Damned” at all. I begged the studio not to make that movie. I told them that the readers really didn’t want that movie, what they wanted was a was a movie based on “The Vampire Lestat,” the second book in the series, and the studio went on and made the movie, and the movie was not really based on my work. They used the names of the characters, but they replaced original material with material that they had written for them by a scriptwriter. And the movie was a great disappointment to most of my readers. 

“I still get letters to this day asking me why I let it happen and, of course, I couldn’t control it there was nothing I could do. They had the right as a studio to make that movie in and there was nothing I could do to prevent it.”

^So that’s Anne’s opinion. 

You didn’t ask but it’s relevant to note that the fandom (as a whole and as individuals) went through some or all of these stages w/ that movie

over time:

  • When it was announced, the old guard were excited about it (did you know that in 2000 Wes Bentley was being considered for the role of Lestat??), I know bc I photoshopped him blonde and blue-eyed w/ my limited skill-set at the time and No I don’t have that to show you but I DID IT,
  • The fandom was invited to be (unpaid) extras in the concert scene!!, and were thrilled to do it,
  • Then it came out, and there was disappointment that so much had been changed from canon (BRUNET!LESTAT and WTF MARIUS??? IS LESTAT’S MAKER??? WHAT?! IS??! THIS JESSE/LESTAT SHIP????% DO NOT WANT being primary grievances), the one change we mostly all approved of was Aaliyah’s performance being awesome and her being POC in a series that has few POC (although at the time I don’t recall that second part being as applauded as it is now),
  • There were waves of bashing the movie, even though we mostly all agreed that Aaliyah was great,
  • It’s still bashed today (I do it, too, but I try not to be TOO harsh),
  • ^A combo of the above or other reasons, etc.

…AND YET, it also is loved/enjoyed by many in that:

  • There are ppl in the fandom who were brought in by that movie, 
  • Or enjoyed the soundtrack, 
  • Or find it nostalgic, 
  • Or find it so-awful-its-great (like the Room), 
  • ^A combo of the above or other reasons, etc.

Anon, I assume that if you’re asking if Anne ever reversed her opinion on movie!QOTD, you may be looking for her approval on liking it.

Given the above, one can’t really place a value judgment on it bc so many of us have different feelings about it! As I’ve often said, you don’t need the author’s permission to like a thing (movie/book/tv series/other media), you do not need ANYONE’S permission or approval to Like a Thing! So go forth and Like movie!QOTD as much as you want!! 

As a positivity exercise, what do y’all like about movie!QOTD? (ノ´ヮ´)ノ*:・゚✧

Is there any official merch for this fandom?

i-want-my-iwtv:

There has been, historically, very little VC merch bc AR didn’t have the rights to sell things for the years when other ppl had those rights and they mostly just sat on those rights? I guess?

AR has sold varying interesting things over the years anyway on her own site, annerice.com, I should make a compilation… these things come to mind:

Technically there is Anne Rice’s website store, where you can purchase a limited number of items (with really decent prices, it looks like!) including these must-haves (/s):

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^I’d rather that ppl did not know that I read that book upon first meeting me, and risk discussing BIRB ALIEMS but anyway…

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^Boss asking if you got the memo on the new cover sheets for TPS reports? Or putting in hours on Saturday? Terrify your boss with this on your desk! 

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^Technically only one person, the actual Lestat, can wear this honestly, but he’s fictional so… idk…

Over the years there may have been official merch for:

  • the Interview with the Vampire movie (1994) – I don’t remember if there was official merch, but I doubt it. 
  • Queen of the Damned movie (2002) – Probably there was merch for this? I don’t remember.
  • Lestat the Musical (2005, 2006) – I know someone has a t-shirt! 

^So check eBay for that stuff 😉

Update: 

I’ve been informed that these were official VC shirts for the QOTD movie, and they have been featured on-screen, too. You can still find them on eBay, but they are pricey? Idk. 

^Here’s one.

^And this one, too, which might be another shirt or poster from within the movie, too?:

^…and apparently this was the record cover within the movie! though i’m not 100% sure on the latter; might’ve been a mockup by a fan at the time. Look, Tough Cookie is in there? And two Louis-ish dudes?