I am confused… so people who follow Anne on facebook do so slavishly? Maybe we just follow her because we like certain things that she posts? I don’t mean to sound whiny, but lumping all her fb followers together hurts. If that’s not what you meant and you were only referring to the people who /do/ follow her obsessively, then I apologize. I just can’t tell from your words in that post, so here I am.

TL;DR

I struggled with this answer, because, while it would be diplomatic to simply apologize, I won’t apologize that it was hurtful, because, as you’ll learn in this post, that group of “more obsessive” people have been and are much crueler to their victims than I was with that one word about them. 

~Here is a picture of Our Lady of VC for the more obsessive fans to frame and worship~

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Side note, before we go any further: Anon, why do you care who I lump anyone in with? I could say everyone who follows X is “a gullible baby,” and everyone who follows Y is “a perfect cinnamon roll, too good for this world,” but that doesn’t make either true. Obviously, if you don’t think you follow AR “slavishly,” then you don’t! Take a breath, this is tumblrland, this blog is for VC fandom love and fanworks (and fandom etiquette and education sometimes), it’s meant to be an outlet, an escape from reality, so don’t take things personally.

This is actually a great opportunity to educate you, Anon, and anyone else who might not be aware of the history between Anne Rice, her “People of the Page” (her phrase, not mine. ”POTP”) followers, her fandom outside of POTP, and outside people who have had opinions on her works. I could write a dissertation on this topic but it’s not worth the effort; this post will be TL;DR for most people. I’m doing this so I can tag it and use it again the next time this topic comes up. 

The short answer is: In the beginning, all of AR’s FB followers were POTP. No distinction needed to be made, because they were ALL highly obsessive to the point that they were her online army she could rally to attack people/reviewers who dared to have an opinion on her works. There have been many instances in which something critical to AR came along – or something that she INTERPRETED as critical – and AR makes a statement on her FB page about it, which is a thinly veiled order rallying her troops to inundate that source with their “discussion” on that review. Sometimes her POTP simply made so many personal attacks in the comments on the offending critical post that the victim is forced to withdraw/delete their review. This whole cycle has happened too many times. In fact, AR has recognized this pattern and actually said that she will no longer link to negative reviews of her works (½/14):

“Guys, I am always open to publishing negative reviews of my work for consideration, to balance the many positive reviews to which I link. But the negative reviewer must bring the review here and request it. When I’ve linked to negative reviews for discussion, some of the reviewers in question have felt that they were unfairly targeted; and they have objected to some of the comments made on their reviews. It just doesn’t work. So I no longer volunteer any negative review, no matter how well written, for discussion. Again, reviewers are welcome to bring their reviews to the page, and post links and offer them for discussion. Same with blog posts. I might not repost every single one; but I’m happy to see them posted on the page and to read them and consider them for reposting.”

“… if I link to them for discussion, some of these people get very upset. They accuse me of “demonizing” them. They call the People of the Page “hell hounds” for their comments. And admittedly, some people do make very unpleasant comments…”

She has 1.1 million followers as of this posting, and I, myself, am one of them. So, of all 1.1 million, at least one of her followers is not an obsessive “hell hound,” as described above.

I actually think she has moved past much of the drama, and now her POTP (both our kind, Anon, and the “more obsessive” kind) are more focused on news items, poetry, VC adaptations & casting ideas, headcanons/canon requests for AR, and other good things she likes discussion on. I enjoyed her #Fan Questions for Lestat, and the 15 yr old inside me still gets excited when she posts something about “Where are they now?” like Lestat doodling on a napkin, or the whole coven all flopped together on a couch watching Hell on Wheels, that’s good stuff *u*

Hit the jump for links to examples of POTP vs. reviewers clashing, etc.


1. War on Fanfic

So this is before the POTP’s time, but it’s worth noting that Anne Rice waged a War on Fanfic in the 1990′s. She had every right to do so, but it destroyed the fandom. She sicc’d her pack of lawyers on all VC fanfic authors, and forced speculative fiction (old-timey-wimey word for “fanfic”) sites to shut down. The fandom was driven underground; fanfic could only be shared very privately, possibly through email exchanges or carrier pigeons.

This experience taught AR a valuable lesson: Anything that she didn’t approve of could be shut down by forces she could marshal. Lawyers cost money, and take on only legitimate legal cases, and legal battles can get messy (she’s had other legal issues but I won’t go there, you can use your newfangled googley-woogly machine for that).

2. The Pandora story

Here’s where the POTP became AR’s army, and they didn’t cost a penny, and there were no legal ramifications in sending them forth on her behalf.

“Kayleigh Herbertson found Pandora to be a poorly written novel where the vampires didn’t act like vampires… after Herbertson was done writing the review she took the book, which was already falling apart, and turned it into decoupage.”

“[AR] chose to respond by posting a link on her Facebook page (where her 740 thousand Facebook followers could find it) and appended the invitation: “Comments most welcome.”.“

Her POTP left an enormous amount of harassing comments on that page, and eventually, it was taken down. Here are my two favorite POTP comments from that article:

  • HOW DARE YOU EVEN COMPARE SHITTY ASS STEPHANIE MEYER TO THE QUALITY WORK THAT IS ANNE RICE HOW DARE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU FUCKING HAG, I HOPE YOU GET HERPES
  • You bitch! 😡

Here’s a link to another article on this situation, with more context.

3. Mess of Links

Here, have at it. I can’t read through these all, but you can!

Hope this helped! I think we’re all coexisting pretty well these days, her People Of The Page and her – what I like to call ourselves – People Off the Page. Let’s just all take a chill pill and enjoy this series together, and if not, let’s just do it in our own way. Live and let live.

Hi there, what are 5 things you like most about Louis?

♛ I’m limited to just 5 things? There are countless things I adore about Louis, not merely “like,” as especially overused as the word “like” is these days *grumbles*

1. His manner of speaking and word choice always… has a dignity to it. It’s something he’s always had, but I would think it’s reinforced by the kinds of books he’s absorbed over the years.

2. His hands, the long fingers, shapely nails, the sight of his hands on my body, the nails clawing at my skin, it’s tantalizing. During the time we lived together with Claudia, I would watch across the room, I yearned for those hands, helping her with shoe laces or gloves. His hands still have a forbidden-fruit aura.

3. He tastes like home. Is there another way to describe it? Skin, tears, blood, he is my favorite flavor *grins* 

4. The picture we cut when I catch our reflection in glass. Whether he lets me dress him or not, with his arm hooked in mine, at a brisk pace, we compliment each other. 

5. His capacity to love me not only despite my flaws, but his patience to help me overcome them, the care he took when I first awoke from a long and miserable nightmare of a coma, even when I was nothing near like myself except in appearance… although I insisted I was fine, he could always see the broken parts of me and sought to help me mend them. 

Dieu but what would he say about me? I don’t deserve him, do I? *sighs* 

(//BTW devilsfool answered these, too! I like their answers as well)

I’m confused! Louisiana is in USA as well as New Orleans but Lestat is French and Louis too…… I don’t get it!

Movie!IWTV sorta gives the impression that Louis was born in New Orleans and only briefly has Lestat admitting to coming from France. They are actually both from France! (and BTW, New Orleans is a city in Louisiana, which is a state in the USA).

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The Pointe du Lacs came to the US from France at some unspecified point in his life, but most people headcanon it was when Louis was a young child, too young to remember.

  • “We’d received a land grant and settled two indigo plantations on the Mississippi very near New Orleans… You see, we lived far better there than we could have ever lived in France.” – Louis de Pointe du Lac, IWTV

The de Lioncourts* lived in a poor provincial town in the middle of nowhere, aka the Auvergne region, in France:

  • “…my father’s land in the Auvergne in France, and these were the last decades before the French Revolution.” – Lestat de Lioncourt, TVL

*Note that Lestat’s mother was Italian (she grew up in Naples) so he and his brothers are all technically half-French, half-Italian.

Was the grape scene in the movie scripted?

As far as I know, after 400 years, 21 years of torturing myself with this trash i love, that scene was unscripted, but it was probably storyboarded!

Although I don’t have them for this scene, I’ve found a few storyboards by Martin Asbury for this movie. Someone needs to pry it from him!!!

I did check, this scene is not in the April ‘92 script, but much of that script changed. Someone out there must have a more recent script… There are several that were written after the movie came out, those are transcriptions of what was released in the final cut, not the last shooting script.

In The Vampire Lestat, didn’t Lestat describe his eyes changing color to a much more grey-blue type color?

“My eyes are gray, but they absorb the colors blue or violet easily from surfaces around them.” – TVL

His first study of his own reflection after being turned: “and my eyes had been transformed from their usual blue to a mingling of violet and cobalt that was softly iridescent.” – TVL

[fanart by theivorywolf]

Magnus, in TVL: “…and the blue sky fixed forever in your eyes.” Magnus, TVL

So Lestat’s eyes:

  • had this effect as a mortal and looked blue to Magnus; or
  • were actually blue as a mortal and not gray-blue-violet-magical until he was turned; or
  • really were always closer to gray-blue than just gray.

This is if we trust Magnus, do we really? IIRC, it’s the only description we have of mortal!Lestat’s eye color. IDK! Lestat supposedly shares his mother’s features

and coloring

(”In fact I resemble her at least superficially.” TVL) and she is described as having blue eyes:

Lestat, in TVL about mortal!Gabrielle: “And she had very clear cobalt blue eyes fringed with thick ashen lashes.”

Khayman, in QOTD: “There wasn’t a particle of fear in her cold blue eyes…”

Lestat, in TVL about vampire!Gabrielle:
“Her eyes opened. Violet blue and glittering,”


Okay so I can’t dig up every single quote about Lestat’s eyes from other’s POVs bc c’mon I am human, so here’s a few:

Marius, in QOTD:  “The ice-blue eyes, darkening with laughter…”

Khayman, in QOTD: “… [Lestat’s] violet blue eyes.”

Jesse, in QOTD: “[Lestat’s] pale crystalline blue eyes…”

Akasha, in QOTD:  “to see the light in your blue  eyes,”

Hi, I’m kinda new to that fandom and not very far into the books. Can I ask why we don’t talk about Dora?

I think I can guess who you are! You really like looking for buttons to push, don’t you? Very Lestat of you ;] I won’t tell. 

It’s not a fandom law that we don’t talk about Dora, it’s sort of one of our inside jokes, like the fact that Lestat only writes with Wordstar even now. 

I don’t reeeeeally want to spoil you, but you can probably already guess what happened between them. Dora and Lestat shared a very intimate experience in Memnoch the Devil that had not occurred in canon before, and has not happened since, but it’s a situation that anyone interested in vampires might have wondered about before. Lestat was very tired, it had been a long trip, and Dora was happy to console him in this *very special* way.   

There were alot of mixed reactions to it, if you want to be spoiled, you can read my #Dora tag, or hit the jump.


So I don’t deny that it was gross and bizarre but I think of this scene – at certain monthly intervals – and consider it from her perspective. She seemed to like it. He seemed to like it. It went from dubcon to consensual in about 3 seconds… and she seemed empty afterwards?? He actually might have saved her a few $ on feminine products?? SUCH A GENTLEMAN.

Have you ever considered Louis asexual as a mortal?

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Louis doesn’t kiss and tell. 

…That doesn’t mean that he doesn’t kiss at all ;}

In canon, Louis did explain to Claudia that sex was, for him, the “pale shadow of killing,” and some other negative things about the experience, but it was probably meant more to try to make her feel better about missing out on it. She would never be able to experience it herself :-

In movie!IWTV, Louis seems to spend his mortal nights getting drunk and hiring cheap prostitutes like have you seen the higher quality ones Lestat hires?! so I would say he’s probably sexing them, I wouldn’t think he’s hiring them for their conversational skills…

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I can’t find the same info in book!IWTV, about the prostitutes, but he was getting drunk and passing out in cabarets.