So, it seems Anne has shown a little bit of interest in this guy…
Don’t give up, Cody Fern fans! I’m on the fence with the idea of Cody being Lestat (that being I haven’t seen much of AHS, so forgive me) but I hope you get a better response like this!
Idk VC fam, thoughts?
YES!!! As someone who loves both Versailles and VC, I love how much of an overlap we’ve gotten recently! In case y’all didn’t see Evan’s response to this tweet:
ALSO, Alex Vlahos who plays Evan’s lover, Philippe, in the show Versailles, is super enthusiastic about VC too, and there’s been a lot of pull in the fandom for him to play Louis!
I actually had the chance to meet both Evan William and Alex Vlahos at a convention, and when I saw them, I wore my Lestat shirt:
Evan didn’t comment on it, but Alex LOVED it!! When he saw it at first, he scoffed and shook his head, but when I told him I was rooting for him to be involved in the show, he smiled super big and shrugged and said “I don’t know, I mean, I’d love to! We’ll see!”
ALSO, Alex answered my question on a periscope Q&A session when I asked about VC, and said he’d love to be in the VC TV series.
So yeah, sorry for the long post, but I think both Alex and Evan would be great candidates for the show, and it’s really cool that my two favorite actors from my favorite show also love my favorite book series!
Interview with the Vampire ➤ Color Palettes
lestat & his relationship with abuse
there’s something to be said for lestat being abused in a home of disgraced aristocrats struggling financially and then becoming abusive later in life, using money & material possessions as a means of affection, communication, and control, all whilst relying heavily on social status. it’s almost like because he felt powerless, the second he was given this immense strength over virtually anyone or anything, he decided to make for himself what he associated with power. he knew his father had control over him, so he mimicked his controlling ways. he didn’t have as much money as he liked? well now he does! disgraced social standing? patron of the arts, member of high society! also louis loves to read and is in general, a fan of all things intellectual. we know lestat at one point wanted to go to school, wanted to read, wanted to write and was kept from that… yet he rags on louis for doing just that. louis was a plantation owner, he had plenty of money and overall good status to back it. he takes this man as his fledgling, and instantly he has control over him. he keeps him down, because even as a mortal he’s all the things he ever wanted and never got. he, in the very core of his being, is envious of louis. louis, however, in a way wears his heart on his sleeve. he’s very empathetic and feeling and is prone to depressive moods. lestat exploits this weakness and tries to position himself as “stronger” by pretending he isn’t hurting just as much inside from the “mortal coil” he claims he left behind. they both have their traumas. they’re struggling to deal with them in different ways… lestat won’t let it out, and louis won’t move on. they’re mirrors of each other. it’s the same dance to a different tune, and that is why they clash so aggressively in IWTV. i think each of them sees what they hate in themselves in each other, and also what they love. this is why in healthier circumstances than those created in IWTV, they are perfect for each other—they each provide something for each other that they can not consistently manufacture on their own. and this growth is what i think would have been a better path for canon to take as opposed to louis becoming complacent to lestat’s aggression, and lestat repeating the same broken patterns. but this is why we have fan fiction..im very glad that this is in the hands of arguably more consistent authors than anne.
bottom line is, i think people overlook the fact that lestat is also hurting but is just very good at hiding it + lying to himself about it. this isn’t to say that it excuses the way he treats louis, but it is more information about where these patterns are coming from and why. i think after being with lestat awhile, louis, being the intuitive person he is, probably sees through his act. even in IWTV he begins to assert himself to lestat, he isn’t afraid of him per say because he doesn’t genuinely believe him to be heartless like he pretends to be. because louis knows that in his own, broken way lestat loves him. and he loves him too. but if they want to grow that love, they have to begin to heal themselves before healing one another. and i like to interpret the times when louis goes to armand as his moments where he says, “i need to sit with my issues with someone quieter than you, and you need to do the same, because this just isn’t working right now”. each of them holds the key to everything the other fears, loves, and craves.
I wanna add @covenofthearticulate
‘s tags cause this is meaningful
these 👏🏻 two 👏🏻 fucks 👏🏻
I’m glad to see this addressed and there’s been some good discussion on this post, I think everyone on it has come to it with their own interpretations of the characters and the ship in question. I think overall, at least at the time of this reblog, the ppl on the post can agree to disagree. #Your headcanon may vary.
Personally, I do think Lestat was abusive towards Louis and I think @secret-les-mis-blog-ooo and @covenofthearticulate had some very astute comments about that, bringing up points about what might have led Lestat to be abusive, not providing excuses, but unpacking what makes an abuser tick, which can help us recognize abuse and stop ppl from becoming abusers in the real world.
I’m adding to the post but not looking to stir up any drama, I did want to add that @theoneandonlylestat was approaching the topic from a valid point of view, too, it’s true that all the VC characters are problematic in their own way. I thought that they had a good point that Louis’ interpretation of events could also be unreliable, and I’ve even thought about how Daniel’s publisher may have made things more scandalous to sell more books. Louis might also have lied by ommission.
^That said, I am more inclined to trust Louis’s report of things, even though I do think he left things out. There was only so much cassette tape available that night!
The other thing I wanted to add is that abuse in fiction can be difficult for a reader to define. The first time I read IWTV I was 11 yrs old, and I loved Lestat, as one fan once put it, falling in love with Lestat is like falling headfirst down a flight of stairs. It’s an awkward falling in love, bc you know it’s wrong, but he’s fictional! Why not?!
And I didn’t see Lestat as abusive. I saw him as this fun bad guy, this antagonist who would make snappy comments at Louis and Claudia and threaten them sometimes, but usually with some humor laced in, his bark was usually worse than his bite, and he’d physically push them around somewhat, but 11 yr old me was accustomed to Looney Tunes characters being pushed off of cliffs, stabbed, shot, steamrolled, etc. and coming back for a new cycle of violence every few minutes. Physical violence can be entertaining, it can be cathartic.
Later on when I reread IWTV, and read posts, and had discussions with other fans like @wicked-felina, I realized that Lestat certainly was being abusive, with the things he would say and do to Louis and Claudia. The physical abuse came into a new light bc I understood the concept of abuse in the real world much better.
^All this is not to say that I demand everyone agree with me and we all denounce Lestat as a horrible abusive demon!! <—-sarcasm. Not at all, not what this is about. It’s not about vilifying a problematic character, which tumblr discussion can veer towards, so I can see why this post had friction.
Too often it’s “This character was/is abusive, THEREFORE, he should be deleted from canon and fandom!”
Here, it’s “We see that this character was/is abusive, FURTHERMORE, this may be why he acted this way, not excusing the abuse, but we want to know WHY.” <—which can lead to understanding the roots of abuse and recognizing it in the real world. Which, to me, is part of the point of fiction. To entertain, yes, but also, to teach us something about the real world.
Being able to discuss abusers in fiction is useful in that it can show that abusers can come across as beautiful, charming, and loving, when they’re not being abusive. Abuse comes in subtle and not-so-subtle forms. It’s good to be able to talk about it and be able to see it for what it is.
But in the same respect, not everyone will define smtg in fiction as abuse. When I was 11 yrs old it was amusing to me. I still find it entertaining in fiction but I 100% do not endorse it in real life.
We can all still love an abusive character and not support his actions in real life.
//Reminder that a lot of Louis’ problem concerning his ego has less to do with him coming from a rich bourgeois background and more to do with the fact that due to Lestat’s dominance and manipulation, Louis developed a crippling dependency on his intelligence because it was the one thing that Lestat could not take from him. He has always been philosophical, yes, but I highly doubt he was a Shakespeare fanatic or poetry addict before Lestat turned him (remember, he practically ran the plantation before his brother’s death, and after his death, Louis spent his time drinking and making half assed suicide attempts; he was never in his study reading books). And he not only sees his intelligence as something that somehow makes him better than those around him, but more importantly, something that differentiates him from Lestat. He cannot stand the thought of being anything like Lestat; he refuses to hunt like him, dress like him, or do anything that he would approve of. So, part of the reason he leans so heavily on his book smarts is because it creates a dichotomy between him and Lestat. And once he realizes how to play his cards correctly, he fucking goes all out and makes sure Lestat knows how well read he is, and how shitty and embarrassing it is that Lestat never properly learned to read. It’s no wonder he’s a rhetorical genius; I think he realized very early on in their relationship that rhetoric was his only weapon against a maker that was so much stronger than him in every other way.
He represents such an interesting mix of character traits, because while his core is highly emotional and intuitive and prone to grief, he relies heavily on logic and intelligence. He is equally headstrong as he is heartstrong, and that is where a lot of his conflict lies. In addition to all the reasons stated above, I also think his inflated self-importance connected to his intelligence may be a form of overcompensation, because Louis often feels stupid and irrational when he gets overly emotional. This doesn’t excuse his pretentiousness at all when it comes to his intellect, but I do think it presents an interesting challenge since Louis put so much effort into crafting a stuffy erudite persona that somewhere along the line he actually started to believe it.
“He wore his favorite old dark coat, a little threadbare but so comfortable, and his favorite old flannel trousers and a fine white shirt Armand had forced upon him with buttons of pearl and outrageous lace. But Louis had never really minded lace.”
— Louis de Pointe du Lac; “It’s Hour Come at Last,” Prince Lestat.
Louis happily wearing the slut shirt Armand bought him. not slut shaming, tho. i’m sure he be looking like a snACK.
#are we really gonna ignore the fact that he’s wearing flannel trousers#Louis babe#what the everloving fuck#listen I know you’re trying your best#but Imma need you to try a little harder#like#i understand the threadbare coats and moth eaten sweaters and shit#but I WILL NOT STAND FOR FLANNEL PANTS#that is where i draw the line#the only way to pull off flannel trousers is if you go full punk#listen I own several pairs of flannel/checkered pants and you gotta commit to that shit#you either go balls to the wall with the pants + a plain black tee + a patchy jacket#or you go home#I will not stand for this BUFFOONERY
oh my god check @covenofthearticulate’s tags yo LMAO ikr. When I first read this, I pictured flannel-patterned pj bottoms and was like super horrified. But then I remembered that flannel is also a material, and became relieved when I realized he was probably wearing like classic gray pants made of flannel……but then I remembered we’re talking about Louis here…..and we all know how he is with clothes, so there’s like a 50/50 chance it is plaid flannel….and yeah the horror came book tenfold.
JUST SEEING IT I DON’T WANT HIM IN EITHER. JUST TAKE THE PANTS OFF, BABE, GIVE ’EM BACK TO DAVID LMAO. I HATE IT.
Okay but I invite you to reconsider your stance on flannel trousers and argue that Louis would look hella good in them and they’re cool af (and because he looks good in everthing obvs)
Do I want to see Louis in ^^^^?
Yes, yes I do XD
YA’LL HOLD THE FUCK UP HOOOOLD UP WHERE ARE MY GLASSES—I NEED TO DO SOMETHING NO ONE REBLOG THIS ANYMORE UNTIL I COME BACK.
OK YEAH YA’LL JUST CONFUSED ME IDK ANYMORE I HATE THIS BOOK FR NOW (and yes kacy imma go reblog the glasses post bc i had to do this all w/o them; also, @sangriche, get in here my friend, i saw that reblog!! join the train wreck) AND YEAH PICK YOUR POISON. I’M DONE.
JESUS CHRIST I DID NOT EXPECT TO START AN ENTIRE THREAD ON THIS BUT I’M CACKLING AT Y’ALLS RESPONSES 😂 God damn it, Louis, why can’t we have one nice thing???
I love that model above. Handsome. I’ve seen him several times, especially in relation to VC/Louis and I am happyier for it. Pretty men make me happy!
- @princelesthottie your fanart is lovely thank u! Proof once again that, in fact, Louis looks great in everything.
- @terryfphanatics, Yes Miles McMillan is lovely and a fandom fave Louis faceclaim ❤
- I’m with @wicked-felina Louis ain’t no #briefcase wanker, that is highly unacceptable.
- @covenofthearticulate I’m glad your tags sparked this serious discussion, I love it!
- @theraphaellus I appreciate your trouser suggestions but MIGHT I SUGGEST (these are similar to your 1st pic but tighter and softer-looking, I think)(Also possibly these are lower-riding on the waist, which, yes plz):
^These might be wool but I they could also be flannel. Louis could rock the whole outfit PLUS UNDERCUT. [X model is Mariano Di Vaio]
BUT I, for one, really love the idea of Louis wearing pajama flannels and giving no fucks, too. I mean if he hangs around at home curled up with a book or some other sedentary activity 90% of the time, why bother putting on outside pants??
Daniel has gotten him some ridiculous pajama bottoms with silly pics on them like Hello Kittys and Louis loves them.
Comparison I’ve been meaning to do for awhile. I don’t think these shots’ similarity was an accident.
- Claudia and Madeleine are both wearing green, signaling youth, envy, (Madeleine’s might also relate to her still being part of nature, as a mortal).
- Louis and Lestat are both wearing warm colors (purple & red), being in positions of power.
- Lighting is reversed; Lestat is back-lit and Louis is front-lit.
- Louis and Lestat are looming into frame from the upper right, Claudia and Madeleine are pushed back, and react from the lower left.
- Claudia and Madeleine’s reactions are different but similar in their initial expression and silence.
Also can I just say I love how Louis and Lestat both express their power differently. With Louis, he doesn’t even have to touch Madeleine to intimidate her. He asserts his dominance with a piercing gaze, and his power rests in his cutting words. Meanwhile, Lestat is explosively violent; all flaring arms and snarling lips. He physically pushes Claudia, even though he’s obviously already stronger than her, which I personally interpret as Lestat being unable to trust the power in his words alone and relying on physical touch to express his emotions instead.
^Good addition @covenofthearticulate ;u; This is another one of those moments that’s easy to miss in the movie (and the book), when ppl say Louis is so weak, it’s more that he shows his strength more subtly, like you’ve described.
Headcanon that Louis, despite his stuffy erudite persona, is a huge fucking nerd, and accompanies Daniel and Armand to all the midnight premieres of the new Star Wars and Marvel movies. He has Opinions on the prequels and has gotten into literal fights with Lestat over them. His favorite Avenger is Hawkeye, even though Daniel constantly bashes him for being lame. He also read Tolkien before it was cool and is lowkey salty about it but also had a crush on Orlando Bloom’s Legolas so there’s that. (Also don’t even get me started into how deep he is in the Harry Potter fandom. Like, this bitch would die for Hermione Granger okay).
Headcanon that sometimes when Louis and Lestat share a bed, Lestat will sleep directly on top of Louis, because of his insatiable need to be as close as physically possible, but Louis doesn’t mind because it has this sort of bittersweet nostalgic feeling of when they used to share a coffin.