It’s been a few weeks since the release of Blood Communion and we all know what time that is?! Time to update the VC family tree! This tree was a labor of my love for all things VC, and is now updated to include new vampires from BCo. Fledglings are added accordingly. If you see any errors, please message me so I can fix them. Spoilers under the read more of changes made.
Hey! Thanks for reaching out to me, I like to think I know something about this series… but I have big areas of inexpertise, in which I call forth those who who would be able to answer better, and you’ve hit one such case.
…which is bizarre, to have this kind of gray area, that I had ALWAYS considered completely resolved, that Marius was Pandora’s maker, and didn’t question it in the least, and then here YOU are, questioning it! I’m more amused that anything else, but still!
Imma take a little stab at it, anyway, and post publicly so as to open this up to anyone to reblog/comment to correct me, offer their own ideas on it.
So! Since there are newer fans these days: Spoilers ahead for Pandora.
Why is Marius and not Akasha called Pandora’s maker?
TL;DR: After rereading the scene, I think Marius is in fact Pandora’s maker, and Akasha’s infusion was post-turning (minutes later) as evidenced by Pandora’s “renewed vigor” and the fact that she’s already perceiving more before she drinks from Akasha.
Longer answer: From what I gather, yes, Akbar drained Pandora. Which in itself does not need to be done by the maker during the Dark Gift procedure. It typically IS done by the maker, but Louis, for example, was already pretty drained by the time he was going to be turned (mortals had bled him more than once to try to cure his madness, um, wasteful!). IIRC, Jesse had suffered a lot of blood loss from her injuries. So the removal of blood is not as crucial as the blood being given. Although, a vampire’s strength may partly lie in how the procedure is done. It’s not an exact science (this post goes into more about that).
HOWEVER, it made it necessary to save her life. Marius has Akbar bring her to the shrine, at which point Akbar sets her down to go beg at Akasha’s feet, as well he should. At this point! Pandora describes drinking blood, and Marius is with her, so it’s his. Then she goes into a lot of description about passing through a veil, changed perception of things, etc. So I think that there is where she was turned officially.
And then:
“The crown, she would have her crown,” I said. With astonishing vigor I walked forward towards her.
^Pandora seems pretty well revived from being on the verge of death.
Now, within the same few minutes, she does drink from Akasha, but I think this infusion is already too late to be the definitive blood to turn her. It is a powerful infusion, though. As Akasha is drawing her near, the narration says:
I felt myself, a human, held together by the intricate threads of blood which Marius had given me. I felt the design of its support. It had no weight, my body.
^So I can see where one might be confused bc Pandora is calling herself human here, but she’s also held together by Marius’ blood, and combined with the other points above, I see her as a fresh fledgling already here.
Is it possible that they both are [Pandora’s makers]?
Sure, it’s possible! It’s fiction, so you can headcanon it however you want, you can justify it in any number of ways 🙂
@roselioncourt would be a very good resource for you in terms of a multi-Maker Dark Gift exchange, bc Rose got this treatment in Prince Lestat.She would have a better answer for you about the mind-sharing situation in that case.
The act of the Dark Gift, IMO, is the vampire maker sharing their vampiric parasite with the mortal they seek to turn. Since that parasite is the same one, just spread out among all the vampires, there’s no reason why 2 or more makers couldn’t give it over in whatever quantity and produce a single fledgling together.
In Pandora’s case, I feel like the change was already taking root by the time she got the infusion from Akasha, but if you read it as being more nebulous, then sure! Marius and Akasha can both be considered Pandora’s makers!
If someone is turned by drinking from multiple vampires, would they not be able to share thoughts with any of them?
Yes, I think that’s right.
We’ve seen in canon that typically, a maker chooses their fledgling as someone they want as a companion into eternity. But sometimes fledglings are chosen just to fill up a coven, though, so the maker is not expected to have that intimate of a relationship with just another congregant in the group.
The point to having a mental block with someone who may be your companion into eternity, to my mind, is that if you could also share that aspect of the other person, you might get bored of them pretty fast, or it could be the cause of arguments, or any number of bad outcomes. Putting up this barrier creates some mystery about the other person, and makes it so you have to keep pursuing them, over the course of hundreds of years.
If there’s a multi-maker situation, I would think you’d get the barrier between them and the fledgling only, which would piss off that fledgling immensely. Can you imagine:
Vampires A, B, and C turn Vampire Y. So (assuming none of them are makers of each other) A, B, and C can all share thoughts with each other and Y is constantly left out and bitter about it. Bc they may all be sitting around some nights, and A and B will start laughing randomly and C will chastise them lightly, “Can you guys not? Y can’t hear you.” Poor Y!
I can’t remember which VC it was that AR tried to do some triangulated mind-reading, but it was complicated. Two vampires who were locked from each other could access each other through a conduit vampire who was not locked from them. Might have been Blood Canticle.
Was watching movie!Queen of the Damned w/ @roselioncourt yesterday and we caught this little thing… Mojo made it into the movie! Different form than in canon, but hey, it counts.
Got through most of the movie and then had to pause it with 30 min left, but you know, each time I watch it there are things that I begrudgingly admit that I really like, ok?? I do. Reblog/comment on this post with love for movie!Queen of the Damned, it’s what Mojo would want ❤
// It was a good day. I’ve got on the polka dots. This is taken before the torture of Queen of the Damned.
You don’t want to see the After picture of me… lol j/k! Like I said, it improves every time I see it, also, we’d just had Ethiopian food and I got to eat with my fingers and gross poor @roselioncourt out, so technically I tortured her first >;}
…And isn’t that what real friendship is about? Being annoying and torturing eachother? Lestat taught me that ❤
Also our makeup game was on point, look at those brows on fleek, oui?
Was watching movie!Queen of the Damned w/ @roselioncourt yesterday and we caught this little thing… Mojo made it into the movie! Different form than in canon, but hey, it counts.
Got through most of the movie and then had to pause it with 30 min left, but you know, each time I watch it there are things that I begrudgingly admit that I really like, ok?? I do. Reblog/comment on this post with love for movie!Queen of the Damned, it’s what Mojo would want ❤
(A little personal note under the cut)
The new job is now 2 weeks in and I’m really busy, learning the way things get done, meeting new ppl, it’s great! I have mixed feelings about being on what is a real hiatus but I think it’s for the best, for now.
I’ll be back someday. Definitely in time for when Blood Communion drops! There’s probably going to be a NYC booksigning so keep an eye out for that, let me know if you hear about any booksignings and I’ll reblog here so that hopefully ppl can meet up in real life and go to them ^_______^
“Before the countdown to midnight has started, it’s clear this party has already been crashed, and the streets are running red with blood. You’ll enter what looks to be your typical New Year’s Eve bash until it’s too late. As the ball drops, fanged punks and big-haired vamps will start their feeding frenzy.”
//ooc; I’ve thought about this for awhile now, it’s been almost a month 😛 and I think it’s a little unfair of my Lestat to answer, bc he’s clearly going to like what I like, to some extent! And my taste is fairly limited bc I don’t keep up with what’s popular, I tend to wait out the hype and then discover things on my own 5-10 years later, and then I’ll go, “Have you heard Crazy by Gnarls Barkley?? It’s mah jam :DDD” And my best friend will pat me on the shoulder and go “Honey that was 11 yrs ago.” *laughcries*
[X] With @roselioncourt‘s help on our REAL LIFE visit last wknd, we made a rough list of bands/artists we think Lestat would love, and I’ll reblog this post with that list, as I don’t have it with me rn, but basically, I think he’s very into the performance aspect of it, the stage presence, and he’s into pop culture, he’d probably keep up with the current music scene, the top 100, what albums are selling, etc. He also likes to do covers of his fave songs and make variations to “improve” them ;D
It says they’ve optioned the rights to 11 of them, but, including Pandora, there’s 13 books. So which books are not included?
I think it’s IWTV*, Blackwood Farm, and Blood Canticle, maybe Merrick, bc AR has said her Mayfair/VC hybrid novels “haven’t worn well over time.” She’s even told ppl to ignore them when reading PL and PLROA. I bet she’ll at least touch on IWTV in flashbacks, but we know she loved movie!IWTV, and probably doesn’t want to try to reinvent the wheel on that one.
It could be that she’s not including PL and PLROA for now.
Does anyone have a statement from her re: which books aren’t included?
*Anne Rice previously noted that the series likely will not touch on the events of “Interview with a Vampire,” but will instead pick up with its sequel “The Vampire Lestat.” [X]
Full list:
The Vampire Chronicles Interview with the Vampire (1976) The Vampire Lestat (1985) The Queen of the Damned (1988) The Tale of the Body Thief (1992) Memnoch the Devil (1995) The Vampire Armand (1998) Merrick (2000) – arguably a Hybrid Mayfair/VC since one of the main characters is a Mayfair. Blood and Gold (2001) Blackwood Farm (2002) – Hybrid Mayfair/VC Blood Canticle (2003) – Hybrid Mayfair/VC
Prince Lestat (2014) Prince Lestat and the Realms of Atlantis (2016)
New Tales of the Vampires Pandora (1998) Vittorio the Vampire (1999) – he’s never been included as a VC vampire.
no she said that its going to start with the vampire lestat then move chronologically also that the vampire lestat will most likely be 2 seasons (she said possibly 3) and interview only being one season
(I didn’t watch the stream yet, I gotta do that)
@roselioncourt informed me that someone else owns the rights the the Mayfair books, which probably includes the hybrids.
Oh good, I really would love to see them address IWTV, we need a new Claudia!
… AND the 11 VC are all in the banner on their Official VC FB (OVCFB):
Interview with the Vampire (1976) The Vampire Lestat (1985) The Queen of the Damned (1988) The Tale of the Body Thief (1992) Memnoch the Devil (1995) The Vampire Armand (1998) Merrick (2000) – arguably a Hybrid Mayfair/VC since one of the main characters is a Mayfair. Blood and Gold (2001) Blackwood Farm (2002) – Hybrid Mayfair/VC Blood Canticle (2003) – Hybrid Mayfair/VC Prince Lestat (2014) Prince Lestat and the Realms of Atlantis (2016)
New Tales of the Vampires Pandora (1998) Vittorio the Vampire (1999) – he’s never been included as a VC vampire.