An anon response re: Prince Lestat and the Realms of Atlantis: “can I skip Kapetria’s Tale and still understand the rest of the book?”

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^Kitty by @berrym [X]

TL:DR; Anon says don’t skip it, you should read it. 

I’m of the mindset that there’s something good in all the VC books even if you don’t accept them all as canon, there’s always something worth dragging out into the light and enjoying for what it is as a standalone piece, be it a quote, or good dialogue banter, or whatever floats your boat, and you may miss it if you skip over a whole section… Even if the characters aren’t our faves, there may be something in there that’s worth salvaging. @sanguinivora gave me a new diving suit for this purpose, lol.


ANYWAY so Anon wrote in 4 messages:

1) To your PLROA question: It’s true, in a way 95% of KT could be skipped. Anne Rice told it so boringly, mentioning every detail (every time they ate and what they ate) it did not even have a chance to be interesting as a story (for me it was though also too absurd).

Good to know. I mean, the vampires can’t eat food, maybe this was an attempt to make the replimoids more likeable? That they’re all impressed with the earhtly food and stuff? So her tale was interesting and absurd tho, that’s the impression I’m getting.

2) But still I don’t think that the end of the book will make actually sense if one knows not the facts one hears in KT. You know the outcome, yes, but probably not really why or how it came to be. So my advice is to read that part simply incredible fast, not trying to imagine every single detail.

Sounds like good advice. I’ll be interested to see what info does apply. 

3) Otherwise I find it in a way sad that AR steals every secret. In IWTV we know NOTHING of vampires – which makes that book so strong. Then in TVL we hear the tale of the parents, which gave me chills still. But this book goes for me too far.

If I understand you right, you liked that we didn’t know the vampire origins in IWTV, and then in TVL those origins are discussed and you did enjoy that. I agree, it seems like most VC fandom ppl I’ve talked with love VC partly for its take on the vampire origin myth. I BOUGHT IT THEN AND I BUY IT NOW. And AR even leaves the possibility that there are other vampire-like beings that have a different origin story, like the mindless Eurovamps Louis and Claudia find. They doubt that those vampires were created the way they were, but it’s left unexplained. 

But this book goes for me too far.

That seems to be shared by other fans, too, that she undermines the facts set up in earlier books, rather than adding to them in a richer way :- 

4th message from anon has kind of a big spoiler, so it is under the cut.

4) That all the vampires are separated in the end, takes a LOT of the vampire “magic” and makes so much of the old novels in a way undone. I would never read it a second time and I will also not regard it actually as VC truth.

Yeah I agree with you, one of the things I really loved about the vampire physiology of Ricean vampires was the fact that they were all connected, and to have that severed, it just felt like a huge loss of the vampire “magic” as you put it. Amel could travel around on it and visit other vampires! It was like they really were all one creature in a way. 

I would reread PLROA more for those domestic and angsty moments we get of the vampire court, Lestat squabbling with Amel in his head, the L/L fluff, of course. But for the ALIEMS? No thank you, I really hope she moves on to literally anything else… I would even accept a wurwulf/VC crossover at this point, as it would be more grounded in the universe she had previously built.

Have you read Prince Lestat and the Realms of Atlantis? If so, can I skip Kapetria’s Tale and still understand the rest of the book? Her story is SO boring and its been holding me back from finishing the book for weeks.

gothiccharmschool:

I liveblogged my readthrough of that damn book: it’s all under the ROA and THREAT LEVEL: PRINCE LESTAT tags over at @gothiccharmschool.

Kapetria’s Tale and the saga of the Replimoids are simultaneously the most boring and the most cracky sections of the book. I cackled over the Space Birb aliens that created the Replimoids, but I don’t think I’ll ever reread those sections.

The sections about the hijinks of Lestat and his vampire court? Those are more like what I want/expect from a Vampire Chronicles book. For example, I am terribly fond of Prince Lestat, and have reread it a couple of times. Is it as good as the original Vampire Chronicles trilogy? No.  

Finally, Anne Rice has stated herself (not that I can find links to the interviews where she said it) that she had been working on a stand-alone Atlantis book for over a decade, but couldn’t get it to where she was happy with it, and decided that it should be combined with a Vampire Chronicles book. I … do not agree with her authorial choices about this. 

TL;DR: No one should feel they have to slog through Kapetria’s Tale in RoA. Yes, it ends up changing the whole mythology and backstory of the vampires, but … I reject those changes. 

Thanks for your addition, @gothiccharmschool! Very much appreciated, and I am with you 100% on wanting more hijinks of Lestat and his vampire court! Good reminder about reading your liveblog of PLROA, I’m sure your liveblog can help me get through it. 

Re: Finally, Anne Rice has stated herself (not that I can find links to the interviews where she said it) that she had been working on a stand-alone Atlantis book for over a decade, but couldn’t get it to where she was happy with it, and decided that it should be combined with a Vampire Chronicles book. I … do not agree with her authorial choices about this. 

I, too, do not agree with her authorial choices about this. Here’s her quote about doing her specialty VC-mashup funtimes for PLROA:

i-want-my-iwtv:

FUNNILY ENOUGH!!1!

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… i, too, am unable to finish PLROA for MONTHS bc of Kapetria’s Tale! FOR THE SAME REASONS. I mean maybe it’s not boring to some ppl? But for me, I’m just… I was weirded out before by the Replimoids and getting to her tale I just didn’t want to buy more of what was being sold. 

So I have been really struggling to pick it up again EVEN THO IT IS RIGHT ON MY DESK IN PLAIN VIEW, mocking me every day that I don’t just CRACK IT OPEN AND TAKE MY MEDICINE like I should if I really cared about this series (which I clearly do).

I went and asked around & skimmed ahead bc I very much like to be spoiled, and I won’t spoil you here, but from what I skimmed and from what I’ve been told, I don’t think you need to know Kapetria’s Tale to understand the rest of the book. It goes back to our vampires and their shenanigans and SCIENCE, and in the old days we might have called this all very “cracky” stuff, but the ending might even have been written before the Atlantis portion was added in, it seems to depend so little on it, but again, that’s from my spoilage. 

…But currently? What are ppl’s thoughts on how PLROA ends? I would like ppl to speak freely, so there may be spoilers in comments/reblogs. 

Message me privately, if you prefer, and I’ll add it to this post under a cut if it’s spoilery.

“I was working on a novel called Born for Atlantis, and I just couldn’t get it to work. I thought, “What if I could somehow combine this with Lestat and the vampires?” And it was like, everything worked. Something happens to me when I write from Lestat’s point of view. There’s no question about it. By the time I was done, it felt inevitable, like it always had been…. It was a rare experience.”

^Anne Rice, Entertainment Weekly (August 5, 2016) [X]

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So I’ve read books 1-3, but tbh I really don’t want to read body thief and I heard Memnoch isn’t very good. BUT I am a huge slut for Armand so can I read TVA now? Will I understand the context of stuff? I kinda already know about the coma thing but if you could write anything I need to know under the cut for spoilers that would be really great. I know it’s mostly Armand and Marius but is there Armand and Daniel in it too? I just don’t want to read about lestats body swap adventure or the devil.

Sure, skip over to TVA! No probs on that. Don’t suffer through the body swap episode or the Bible/VC crossover if you don’t want to! Life’s too short. 

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^Kitty by @berrym [X]

We’re all selective as to what canon we’re willing to accept anyway so even those who have read TOBT and/or MTD don’t necessarily accept one or both as canon. Some ppl insist that everything published is canon. But here’s the thing, there’s “the two crossover novels Blackwood Farm and Blood Canticle, which Rice herself has now disavowed,” (X @sanguinivora​) so like, even AR doesn’t demand that we accept everything as canon. At least that’s my own take on it.

TOBT: No spoilers. I don’t think Armand or Daniel are even mentioned in TOBT (I don’t have a copy nearby to check). But in their absence, it would appear that they were either A) unaware of what was happening w/ Lestat, or B) unwilling to help him. I don’t remember that ever being really developed, but Lestat does mention sometimes how it seemed like no one was WILLING to help, that they all were aware and left him to fend for himself. 

HUGE SPOILER IN MTD under the cut, you have been warned.


MTD has alot of baggage bc there were those negative reviews that came out about it, and tbh I didn’t read them bc there was an avalanche of them, so I don’t know if any of them were fair or not, but I remember that AR made alot of fiery public response about it (to put it lightly) and was using her FB POTP army against any critical reviewers, it was a dark time, so that may have soured the fandom on that book a lot. 

MTD was published in 1995 and it was supposed to be the LAST book in the series. 3 years later we got The Vampire Armand, because…………….

*****HUGE SPOILER***** 

*****YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED*****

At the end of MTD, Armand believes that Lestat really went to Heaven and Hell when shown a particular piece of evidence, and Armand chooses to go out into the sunlight, and die:

“I will bear witness. I will stand here with my arms outstretched,” [Armand] cried, “and when
the sun rises, my death shall confirm the miracle.”

Apparently that caused such an uproar that fans were showing up to MTD booksignings wearing homemade “Armand Lives” t-shirts, and AR acquiesced and brought him back! Here’s one I designed wayyy after the fact, like two months ago:

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Eyy! (This is about the reading the books in order post) I’m kinda thinking about just reading the books out of order too, I skipped Memnoch so I could read TVA, and then I’m going to read Blood and gold, cause I’m super excited to read about my boy Marius. He and Armand are my favorites. I wholeheartedly recommend that people who want to read about their favorites before going over the other stuff to read the books out of order if they want to.

Sure! Whatever order works for you is fine. Several of the books offer a different POV on previously described events anyway. Pandora also has Marius, don’t skip her account of things 😉

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[X] Louis, Marius, and Armand by @garama

2/2 i know thats a really dumb question but i really want to read the rest of the books and i cant really figure out how. anyways, i love you blog (and your hair oh my gosh). have a swell day!!! xo

theraphaellus:

Hi Anon,

That’s not a dumb questions at all! I know there’s generally a lot of confusion regarding the right way to read the books. As far as I know, AR said to read them in the order of their publication, but I also know there are some sites online that suggest alternative ways to read them (perhaps @i-want-my-iwtv might offer suggestions here? I’m sure you can find some more info on the blog, which is obviously totally amazing and a great resource for all things VC!)

This is the publication chronology: 

I read the first three in chronological order, and then I read the rest completely jumbled up. Some of them I’ve only read once, others I’ve ready MANY TIMES… and I’m still working my way through Atlantis atm. The last time I began re-reading I followed the chronology. I’d definitely be willing to try and read them following one of the alternative chronologies, maybe that would offer a different experience? I don’t know.

Hey VC boffins, please feel free to add to this if you have suggestions! 

Hope that was at least a little helpful anon ❤ 

I have been summoned! Thanks for the lovely compliments on my blargh, I’m such a successful drug dealer, always trying to reel in fresh victims to our beloved drug of choice, lovable dysfunctional vampires ♥u♥

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I didn’t know that AR said to read them in the order of their publication, but that makes the most sense to me, bc that was the order in which she explored the stories. I read them in publication order, too (but that wasn’t really a choice for me bc after the first 4 of them, I had to wait for her to write them!) Things will be revealed to you in the order in which she considered them, and then things will be “corrected” in the order in which she “corrected” it (you know, the different points of view, our ~unreliable narrators~, which is AR retconning existing canon).

I don’t know of other chronological suggestions, but I know ppl do come into the series from anywhere and latch onto certain characters bc of their gateway drug, so it kind of depends on what you’re most interested in with it. Like, someone who started with TVA might want to read The Vampire Lestat or Queen of the Damned next bc there’s some Armand screentime in those, and go back to Interview w/ the Vampire after that bc he has less screentime in it, IIRC.

I think it also depends on whether you have an issue with problematic things bc some VC books are more problematic than others… we could tell you whether you might want to skip Tale of the Body Thief, for example 😉

(I get this question in different variations every so often, it’s under my #Order of Operations for VC tag, if you want more thoughts on that.)

BASICALLY: Give them each and all a chance! Assemble your headcanon as you go along ;3

Hi, a long time ago I read interview, the vampire lestat and the queen of the damned. I want to fall in love again with the saga, can you recommend me what book should I read now, there is so many that I can’t choose. Thank you very much, I really love your blog!

Thanks for the compliments! Glad you like my blog 😀

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(I get this question in different variations every so often, it’s under my #Order of Operations for VC tag, if you want more thoughts on that.)

I always suggest reading all the books, but not everyone can or wants to do that. Those first 3 books tend to be considered as the best of the VC by the fandom in general, but individuals have different opinions.

I’d suggest you go on to book 4, Tale of the Body Thief, and read them in order, bc that’s the order in which AR explored her stories. I don’t know what aspect of VC you fell in love with before, so if you could tell me about that and/or your fave character(s), whether you have an issue with problematic things bc some VC books are more problematic than others… I could tell you whether you might want to skip Tale of the Body Thief, for example 😉

do i have to read the mayfair witches books to read the crossover books??

I always recommend reading the earlier books before the later ones bc that’s the order in which AR explored the characters. #READ THE BOOK.gif 

The crossover books will spoil things or may leave some things confusing/unexplained which happened in the original Mayfair series, so if you don’t want to be spoiled that way, y’know, start at the original books.

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[art by Thomas Blackshear, very Gustav Klimt, oui? A good Merrick.]

I’m not as familiar with the Mayfair series* bc I read them a long time ago and didn’t reread them… but you’ll probably see the witches as richer characters when you know what they’ve been through before the hybrid novels (AR calls the crossover books “hybrid novels”). IIRC, sometimes past events are referenced in the hybrid novels, but not fully revisited from other POVs as happens in VC. 

*One exception is Merrick Mayfair, who isn’t mentioned in the original Mayfair trilogy, she’s in Merrick.

For example, Mona Mayfair is no ordinary witch, and so when we see her in Blood Canticle (Mona was so awesomely sassy in BC!), it feels like she gains back an inner strength about herself (from the earlier Mayfair books) that may have been lost. 

Also relevant: at the booksigning last night (11/30/16), someone asked AR if we’d see more of Rowan or the other Mayfairs in future books, and AR basically said she doesn’t think so, bc the hybrid novels haven’t worn well over time, and that she feels the original Mayfair trilogy is good as it is (also, she wrote it in a house in NOLA she no longer owns; it’s harder to get back into that universe from another location). We do have some Mayfair mention in PLROA tho, so clearly AR is keeping some things from the hybrid novels and tossing others so i d e k.

Hello dear, I just has a couple of questions for the authority on Tumblr! What’s your all time favourite VC book, which ones do you think are necessary to read and which ones would you say are the worst? Love your blog!

Awwww… you sweet thing! ❤

While I’m flattered to be called the VC authority on Tumblr, I’ll accept it in just a tongue-in-cheeky way, bc if that were true, such a title would probably require real “administrative duties,” and other responsibilities that an Authority on smtg would have to perform.

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My fave VC book is probably TVL, but I wouldn’t be here if not for IWTV, so they sort of go hand-in-hand for me. I hesitate to choose one over the other. IWTV had the elegant language, the dark ambiance, the existential angst that had a big impact on my own spirituality, and it had the beginnings of the Louis/Lestat chemistry.

But TVL edges forward bc it had the origin of their species story (a whole new take on vampire mythology!), it had more acts of love, more comedy and more charm and I fell for Lestat like falling down a flight of stairs ;D Not bc he’s so damn pretty. For his refusal to quit, for how badly he fracks up but feels terrible for, and then keeps trying; for his insistence that there is so much that’s worth living for, that fascination can save him in the face of the meaningless emptiness out there.

-which ones do you think are necessary to read-

(I get this question in different variations every so often, it’s under my #Order of Operations for VC tag, if you want more thoughts on that.)

I really think IWTV, TVL, and QOTD are necessary. Those books contain the core main characters and take the time to establish those characters. Later books will revisit some of the scenes from those books from different character’s POVs.

Some ppl write off TOBT as being too wacky and MtD as being too religious, TVA as being too Armand… and then the rest rapidly fall off the edge of what ppl consider canon at all because they introduce a bunch of new characters and storylines that the fandom has yet to fully embrace as canon (including the books AR herself does not currently accept as canon, the hybrid Mayfair/VC books).

Hit the jump for more, cut for length.

-and which ones would you say are the worst?-

That’s up for debate and I’m sure for every book I mention I didn’t really like that much, there’s going to be a pile of ppl who loved it, as happens with the ones I liked and there’s a pile of ppl who don’t!

Under the cut are VC that I don’t feel added that much to the series other than being somewhat interesting diversions, and you can give them a chance and see what you think!


Vittorio – This is technically not a VC book, and he has a different origin story and is not part of the VC vampire group.

Blackwood Farm – This is mostly a story told to Lestat and he’s not very invested in it, I don’t think many (any?) of the new characters introduced in this book make any more than a mention or brief appearance later on. It is also fairly cracky.

Blood Canticle – The last of the hybrid VC/Mayfair Witches novels, very cracky, AR has said herself that these hybrid novels did not “wear well” over time, and has stated that they are not part of the canon she continued with in PL and beyond.

Same anon here! Okay, thanks for the answer! Guess I’ll read them patiently in order then ;–)

De rien!

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On a little further reflection, you can skip: *possible spoilers under the cut*


Pandora – Is mostly about Pandora, and Marius, and their relationship. Pandora’s not really in PL much and their relationship doesn’t have much to do with how Marius is in PL.

Vittorio – This is technically not a VC book, and he has a different origin story and is not part of the VC vampire group.

Blackwood Farm – This is mostly a story told to Lestat and he’s not very invested in it, I don’t think many (any?) of the new characters introduced in this book make any more than a mention or brief appearance in PL. It is also fairly cracky.

Blood Canticle – AR said that PL deviates from canon in that it does not include the hybrid VC/Mayfair Witches stuff, but I think she meant this book specifically, which has Rowan Mayfair, who does not appear at all in PL. It is also very cracky.

Hello there! I think you’d know this, I tried searching on my own but wasn’t succesfull so! I recently read the first three vc books and was thinking of reading prince lestat next, but is that possible? like are there some major plot lines i absolutely have to read from the other books before reading pl? (ofc i’ll read the other books eventually, too) thanks so much!! also your blog is rad

Yasss my blog is rad thanx ❤

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I think you should read #4 before PL. It’s got a lot of David Talbot, who you only know a teeny bit at the end of #3. He’s… different in PL. 

I feel like skipping to PL, you miss other adventures and character development, amusing lines… pages about how beautiful Louis is, lol… I just feel like reading them in order is a richer experience.

At least you have more of an appreciation for the other main characters since you know their background. 

Prince Lestat CAN be considered a stand alone, AR said herself it can be treated like that. It’s just so stand alone that I consider it very Alternate Universe. You’ll see what I mean.

*sigh* It’s so strange that ppl want to rush to PL, but I guess it’s bc it’s the currently newest VC and the upcoming book is a sequel to it.

Also, almost 2 yrs since its release, I still refuse to accept PL as canon. It’s AU to me. 

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