Doesn’t he go by Armand le Russe in Prince Lestat?

Following through the comments on my post, there is the idea that “le Russe” is an epithet, that it’s not what Armand goes by, but something Rhoshamandes calls him. It’s only mentioned once in the book, IIRC, by Rhosh. I’d believe that.

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@bloodyvampchrons wrote:

Anne APPARENTLY made up “le Russe” in PL. Which I had totally forgotten until I was reminded a little while ago. As far as obviously made up surnames go it’s even worse than de Romanus lol. ETA: I need to do a closeread before I speak lol, it sounds like that’s an epithet rather than a name.

@monstersinthecosmos wrote:

SO LIKE I MEAN, the only part (to my recollection? plz correct me???) where it mentions “Armand Le Russe” is in a Rhosh chapter and that guy is such a salty fuckin tool and I got the impression that he was calling Armand that to be petty and sarcastic? Cause then she started listing the vampires at the end of the books and she still just refers to him as “Armand” without a last name.

“Only the clever ones like Gregory Duff Collingsworth and Armand Le Russe–who could thrive right in the midst of mortals–were undisturbed by the shrinking of the planet.”

@bloodyvampchrons wrote:

YEP that’s what @laurasking pointed out to me too. That’s totally plausible. Also since Rhosh’s experience with Armand relates to coven era BS in Paris (idk if I’m even remembering this correctly but isn’t he pissed that allessandra ++ were forced into the covens) it might possibly be a thing left over from that era as well??


laurasking said: Well, Rhoshamandes calls him that, but no one else.

moral-cipher said: Laurasking – ohhh i forgot that. So it’s probably an epithet, possibly left over from the Bad Old Days. That makes a lot more sense. Thanks!

laurasking said: I thought fanon was that he assumed de Romanus.

@i-want-my-iwtv: ^Re: de Romanus, I assumed that was the name Armand used when he was with Marius, but after he was taken by the Children of Darkness, they changed his first name and I would assume he never used “de Romanus” again, either ;A;

Thanks to everyone who had discussion on this! 

does Armand not have a last name?

i-want-my-iwtv:

I don’t recall that he ever mentioned having a last name, or that he took on Marius’ last name at any point…

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[^X Björn by gampy (Björn is a fandom fave for Armand)]

Opening this up to anyone, was Armand ever given or has he ever mentioned taking on any specific last names? I can’t even think if he’d ever shared aliases, as Lestat often does… 

I got some good responses to this post, you can peruse them, and whether you agree that “le Russe” is Armand’s last name depends on whether you accept PL as canon. 

Others noted that it’s Ivanovich, because his father’s name was Ivan. As far as I know, that’s the naming convention in that part of the world, that your last name includes your father’s name like that, but I didn’t see “

Ivanovich” explicitly written in canon. At any rate, Armand is no longer “Andrei,” so I wouldn’t think that he would have kept that last name, either.

@remarried‘s sister suggested “Molloy” and quite frankly, #headcanon accepted, for me anyway! @interviewed-the-vampire had suggested this a year ago and I still love it!

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does Armand not have a last name?

I don’t recall that he ever mentioned having a last name, or that he took on Marius’ last name at any point…

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[^X Björn by gampy (Björn is a fandom fave for Armand)]

Opening this up to anyone, was Armand ever given or has he ever mentioned taking on any specific last names? I can’t even think if he’d ever shared aliases, as Lestat often does… 

Hi, I was wondering if you know where it is first mentioned that Armand made a vow never to make fledgelings? I don’t remember reading about it until QoTD, but it seems so important to him that I’m sure it must have been brought up earlier. I can’t remember whether it was talked about in TVA either… thanks :)

Well I found it! In TVL, when Armand is telling Lestat and Gabrielle his story:

“In quiet allegiance to the Dark Ways, Armand
continued to serve. Yet in the centuries of his long obedience, Armand
kept two secrets to himself. These were his property, these secrets,
more purely his than the coffin in which he locked himself by day, or
the few amulets he wore. The first was that no matter how great his
loneliness, or how long the search for brothers and sisters in whom he
might find some comfort, he never worked the Dark Trick himself.
He wouldn’t give that to Satan, no Child of Darkness made by him.”

Hit the jump for more, cut for length.

Still in TVL, that quote above is right after he’s gone over how he’s seen so many vampires die:

In this particular, let
Armand observe that there was no vampire then living who was more
than three hundred years old. No one alive then could remember the
first Roman coven. The devil frequently calls his vampires home….

He had witnessed
the inevitable dissolution of covens, seen immortality defeat the most
perfectly made Children of Darkness, and it seemed at times some
awesome punishment that it never defeated him.
Was he destined to
be one of the ancient ones? The Children of the Millennia? Could one
believe those stories which persisted still?

He’s also mentioned that the Dark Trick is not an exact science (also TVL):

But
let Armand understand here also that the effect of the Dark Trick is
unpredictable, even when passed on by the very young vampire and
with all due care.
For reasons no one knows, some mortals when Born
to Darkness become as powerful as Titans, others may be no more
than corpses that move. That is why mortals must be chosen with
skill. Those with great passion and indomitable will should be avoided
as well as those who have none. 

So Armand’s reasons for refusing to turn Daniel, if you trust him to be honest about the ones he’s giving, seem to be that:

  • Not everyone has the stamina for vampiring
  • Mortal life is better and Daniel should appreciate it more!
  • The Dark Trick is unpredictable and could leave Daniel in worse condition than mortal life ;A;
  • Armand really underscores that mortal life is better, also bc of the tragedy he’s experienced in his own vampiring. 
  • Armand has his own enemies to deal with (“I’m like any beast on the prowl. I have enemies who are older and
    stronger who would try to destroy me if it interested them to do so, I am sure.” – QOTD)
  • There’s also the threat of extermination happening to alot of vampires in QOTD so... bad timing. (”What matters is that the end
    may be at hand…

    There is a vague repeated cry of
    danger, but no one seems to know whence it comes. They only know that we are being sought out and
    annihilated, that coven houses, meeting places, go up in flames.“ – QOTD)


Later, in QOTD, Daniel refers to it as a vow, maybe that’s he terminology Armand used when he told Daniel about it:

[Daniel says:] “Of course I believed you. The vow you made, you explained everything. But Armand, this is my question, to
whom did you make this vow?" 

Laughter. 

^He made the vow to himself ;A;

[Armand says:] "So you would have me break my vow. You would have what you think you want. But look well at this
garden, because once I do it, you’ll never read my thoughts or see my visions again. A veil of silence will
come down.”

1. I think this is definitively where Daniel realizes Armand’s not going to turn him:

Then the realization had come to Daniel as they stood together in the ruined dining room with its famous
murals of ritual flagellation barely visible in the dark: He isn’t going to kill me after all. He isn’t going to do it.
Of course he won’t make me what he is, but he isn’t going to kill me.
The dance will not end like that.

2. Then Armand starts trying to get Daniel to understand his reasons for not wanting to give him the Dark Gift

“Give me what I want,” Daniel had demanded. 

“I’m giving you everything you could ever ask for." 

"Yes, but not what I have asked for, not what I want!" 

"Be alive, Daniel.” A low whisper, like a kiss. “Let me tell you from my heart that life is better than death.”

3. … which intensifies:

Ugly fights, terrible fights, finally, Armand broken down, glassy-eyed with silent rage, then crying softly but
uncontrollably as if some lost emotion had been rediscovered which threatened to tear him apart. “I will not
do it, I cannot do it. Ask me to kill you, it would be easier than that. You don’t know what you ask for, don’t
you see? It is always a damnable error! Don’t you realize that any one of us would give it up for one human
lifetime?

If the scene didn’t take place at all how did Louis get such an accurate description of Lestat’s condition? If I recall correctly Armand mostly spent time with Lestat after he and Louis had parted and even if he had visited once before why would he give Louis the full disclosure? It’s not like Louis can take images from Armand’s mind either. Louis might have exaggerated the patheticness of the conversation to get a reaction from Lestat but it’s hard for me to believe that they didn’t meet at all

Re: @firelight-fading​‘s post: “How many of you actually feel that Louis’ visiting Lestat at the end of IWTV and the conversation that followed actually happened? Lestat insists that it didn’t, but both him and Louis are unreliable narrators…”

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Hey, look, you are free to believe in whichever unreliable narrator you want! Clearly we don’t all agree on this. I still don’t know what I believe, but I lean towards it happening, that they met, just maybe not as Louis described it.

Anon says: If the scene didn’t take place at all how did Louis get such an accurate description of Lestat’s condition?… 

It’s not like Louis can take images from Armand’s mind either.

^Louis had seen a pretty battered Lestat around 1865, and then he thought Lestat was destroyed in the TdV fire, so he’s probably guessing that his maker looks like toast now, if he’s in fact still alive. 

Lestat acknowledges in TVL that Armand came around to pester him in NOLA, which, yes, is presumably after Armand and Louis went their separate ways. But Armand could have visited Lestat before that separation, or gotten the information from another vampire who had seen Lestat in NOLA. They’re probably not the only vampires in New York during the time that they’re there. 

Anon says: even if he had visited once before why would he give Louis the full disclosure? In IWTV, Armand tells Louis that Lestat is in NOLA:

“Then, finally, Armand urged me in another way. He told me something he’d concealed from me since the time we were in Paris. 

“Lestat had not died in the Theatre des Vampires. I had believed him to be dead, and when I asked Armand about those vampires, he told me they all had perished. But he told me now that this wasn’t so. Lestat had left the theater the night I had run away from Armand and sought out the cemetery in Montmartre. Two vampires who had been made with Lestat by the same master had assisted him in booking passage to New Orleans.

^So how Armand knew this, we don’t know, but I assume he read it from Lestat’s thoughts when he visited Lestat in NOLA prior to Armand’s separation with Louis, or from another vampire who had seen Lestat passing through NY.

Armand wants Louis to see Lestat for himself bc he wants Louis to “come back to life.”

” `You care about nothing …’ [Armand] was saying. And then he sat up slowly and turned to me so again I could see that dark fire in his eyes. `I thought you would at least care about that. I thought you would feel the old passion, the old anger if you were to see him again. I thought something would quicken and come alive in you if you saw him . . . if you returned to this place.’

^Sorry Armand, fail on that 😛

Whether Louis actually met with Lestat the way he described it in IWTV is up for debate, but Louis might have gotten such an accurate description of Lestat’s condition verbally from Armand. Perhaps, as you say, Louis might have exaggerated the patheticness of the conversation to get a reaction from Lestat, as he was trying to provoke Lestat into coming out of wherever he was hiding.

Or maybe Louis just wanted to tell his story to another soul, like confession, and get some feeling of absolution from the act of telling, maybe it felt good to invent this portion for no good reason. I don’t personally think that’s very IC for Louis but… who knows?

Can we just look at this for a minute….

Two vampires who had been made with Lestat by the same master had assisted him in booking passage to New Orleans.

^This used to really irritate me, these two vampire siblings of Lestat who never appeared again in canon, I have to assume Armand invented them for whatever reason (make Louis jealous that he didn’t help Lestat himself?) or that Daniel’s publisher added them in for whatever reason *shrugs*

If you had to choose: armand x daniel or armand x marius, and why?

Omg I’m not touching this debate, with all the Armand/Daniel and Armand/Marius shippers out there ready to fight me one way or the other, and the fact that Marius is very problematic. Not taking a side on this one. 

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I’ve never been wildly passionate about any of the three of those characters, personally, so you might ask RPers for those characters what they might say. Might be some active Armands on this post.

I can understand both ships, and I can appreciate variations of them in canon and fanworks. Best for me to leave it at that.

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