Ive noticed a lot of fanart of IWTV makes the boys look like girls. its not just one artist its the fandom’s thing to draw them w not “feminine” but *female* features. Im a ftm trans artist so ive spent a lot of time looking at how male vs female faces differ and the iwtv fandom draws men with smaller jaws, bigger eyes, softer features, bigger lips, small/arched eyebrows. Besides long hair and elaborate dress the characters dont look female so do u know why the fandom draws them like that?

(1) First of all, I would encourage you to post your own interpretations, share with us how you see these characters, we have an insatiable hunger for more fanart ;] 

If your headcanon is different, that’s great! Variety is the spice of life. 

(2) In my experience, having been in VC fandom for 20+ years and on tumblr for about 3.5 yrs, yes, I’ve seen a lot of IWTV-era fanart depicting the male characters with feminine features, you may be right about that. But not all of it is.

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[^X Louis, Claudia and Lestat, IWTV-era, by @superhiki, who often uses Daniel Tighe as a reference for Louis, and fandom favorite Danila Kovalev for Lestat (and, not pictured here but worth mentioning, Hiki uses fandom favorite Bjorn Andresen for Armand)] 

(3) I get the impression from your message that you consider that “fanart of IWTV makes the boys look like girls” is bad/wrong/incorrect. If that’s not your point, I apologize, and you can skip to (4), but if it is your point, please see this post about fandom policing, here’s an excerpt from @spiderladyceo:  

“And no matter how well-meaning you are, you don’t get to tell other fans what they can and cannot write, or draw, or enjoy. 

When you start telling people what they can create or enjoy, you invalidate the purpose of fandom, and create a situation where instead of free exploration, we have something similar to mainstream media in which certain tropes or topics are not allowed. This limits the free expression, exploration and innovation so highly prized in fandom.

…You don’t get to tell fans how to enjoy fandom. You mind your own path, your write your own fic, you write meta on why x trope is offensive/problematic/bad but you do not tell other fans how to enjoy fandom.”

(4) I don’t quite understand your distinction between “feminine” and *female* features, except that I consider “female features” specifically to mean female genitalia and secondary sex characteristics (breasts). So I’m only going to address “feminine” features. 

On that point, “smaller jaws, bigger eyes, softer features, bigger lips, small/arched eyebrows” are not exclusive to female characters. Jason Momoa is a man with

BIG EYES, thick lashes, arched brows, big lips, soft jaw, round face,… and I think he is a cis man.

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(5) I don’t speak for all the fanartists, but I sent your ask out privately to several fanartists, fic writers, etc., and the general consensus was that if you want to know why a fanartist or writer has made certain artistic choices, you should ask them directly about it and they will answer if they choose to do so. 

Some reasons they gave for drawing characters the way they do: 

  • Some fanartists have a different idea of what is “masculine” than you do. It just varies, even in people who express their assigned gender, features differ wildly. 
  • Anne Rice often describes the characters in feminine and androgynous ways. 
  • Many of her vampires were turned young, before developing your idea of “masculine” features, or they never did. Armand was “perhaps seventeen” (TVA) when he was turned and had stopped growing, had not developed masculine features by that time. “My hands are as delicate as those of a young woman, and I was beardless,” (TVA)
  • It was more fashionable for men during the IWTV-era to be fashionable and cultured, the style of which might be considered a little more feminine by today’s standards. See Dandy.
  • Their own aesthetic taste may be inspired by anime/manga. One example is Dany&Dany.
  • Fanartists often use models and actors as references. Many male models and actors have feminine features. One of them, Andreja Pejić, was a fan favorite as Lestat for many years, and she transitioned MTF in 2013.
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^[X] fanart of Lestat/Louis by @sheepskeleton based on

[X] this picture of Andreja Pejic (left) and Erika Linder (right).

  • Fanartists may have been inspired by movie!IWTV. Tom Cruise and Brad Pitt already had somewhat feminine features in the early 90′s, which were enhanced in movie!IWTV. This is one of my fave fanarts of Lestat, and it’s based on Tom’s Lestat:
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^X Lestat by *HRFleur is so lovely. And someone commented on it that they think he is handsome w/o looking feminine. 

“I don’t think he looks like Tom Cruise. I think he looks better! it’s as if you took the essence of Lestat from Tom and pulled the real Lestat out. He looks as though he’s about to say something sarcastic or perhaps become peevish over something. I like that you made him handsome without looking feminine.”  


Feminine Jesus Christ:

  • The idea of drawing men with female or feminine features predates fanart. People depict Jesus Christ with feminine features when there is plenty of controversy about what he actually might have looked like:
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^Not my comparison pic, I took it from Janet Carr @ THIS BUG’S LIFE’s post about the Jesus depiction issue. Carr writes that the more feminine Jesus depictions are “actually pictures of Cesare Borgia, son of Rodrigo Borgia, Pope Alexander VI, and brother of Lucrezia Borgia… Pope Alexander VI had all previous depictions of Jesus destroyed in about 1492, and replaced with images of his son. Henceforth, these have been the images used to depict Christ.”

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^Here’s our feminized Jesus and early 90′s Brad Pitt, for comparison. I remember Brad being criticized

in the early 90′s

by men for looking too feminine. The pic above is from a magazine, the Italian caption is “Blond, blue eyes, beautiful in spite of himself, and with a smile <<capable of reversing feminism 25 years>>.


//end. Sorry for the long post, everyone. 

I didn’t put any of that under a cut bc I spent a lot of time on this response and I have found that people will reblog, trying to make a post into a discussion, without reading what’s under the cut. People may still want to try to do that, as this is a social network that encourages discussion, but I’m probably not going to engage any further in this topic. I think I’ve made my point, which is that fanartists draw what they want to draw.

God, am I the only one that liked Tom Cruise as Lestat (besides AR)? Honestly, my headcanon for Lestat is a mix of tom cruise’s lestat and my own imagination. I thought he was good and looked the part, but everyone seems to hate him… Also, where is the love for baby jenks? Yes, she was only in the book for maybe 20 pages, but she was cool and made me laugh. There’s no fanart or anything for her and that makes me kinda sad

You are preaching to the choir re: Tom Cruise ;D I LOVE HIM SO MUCH.

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^This is one of my favorite production stills of him. He’s just perfect. Menacing, charming, at the edge of reason and also in total control of the scene… but this is largely in his acting and ppl who disliked him may not have given him a chance like AR did (you know, she initially railed against his casting, and after seeing a screening of the film, completely changed her mind and sang his praises). 

Ppl argue that he doesn’t look like Lestat, and that’s true, he’s a little vertically challenged and he doesn’t have *~iridescent grey-blue eyes~*, he doesn’t have *~a gorgeous mop of pampered yellow hair.~* The hair and makeup they did for him work with his natural coloring, and they tried going brighter blond, didn’t really mesh well. Ppl also argue about his personal life, and Scientology, all that mess… but I don’t factor that into his performance as Lestat, personally.

But he more than makes up for all that in his acting, imo. He did his homework for the role and put a massive amount of effort into it, you can tell that he loves the character. Tom Cruise re: Lestat:

“I used the books as a reference for me and, y’know, you have to read them, especially Interview with the Vampire, because it’s from Louis’s point of view, you have to read it very carefully to find the clues to who Lestat is, and y’know… his loneliness, and his, his personal… struggle. He recognizes that Louis’ a unique… being, and if he wanted… y’know it’s that whole thing, and Lestat gives him the choice – very clearly – even in the book Lestat gives Louis the choice, uh, and that’s something I felt very strongly about… and when Lestat asks Louis, “Do you still want death? Or have you tasted it enough?” He’s really asking Louis:

“Do you still wanna die? I mean, now you know, you’ve come close to death, is this what you want?”

Re: Baby Jenks – Yeah I liked her alot, too! The way her narrative was written was refreshing, unlike any canon before it. Concisely stated but rich and believable backstory. She deserved to have more screentime. More fanart of her would be gr9!

Baby Jenks, like Nicolas, and a few other characters w/ less “screentime” in VC… it was surprising to me when ppl started digging them up and loving them, but I’ve come to realize that these are characters that:

A) still have some blank slate left, so fans can draw their own headcanons on them; and,

B) (part 1) seem to be characters that this generation relate to more. Nicolas practically has a canon mental illness, and he suffers for it. Ppl saw themselves in him and the representation felt good, that and author recognized their existence, even though he didn’t get a happy ending, and we love characters like that.

B) (part 2) Baby Jenks didn’t get a treasure chest of money and jewels or a frickin’ castle when she was turned; she had a biker gang and was so much richer bc she wasn’t alone! Her backstory was briefly sketched, but it was in powerful strokes; she was a BAMF in her own way, refusing to go quietly into that good night. And that’s inspiring, and we love characters like that.

Turns out we already have a VC movie coming out. Tom Cruise’s new flick, The Mummy, involves the core aspects: Tom Cruise dying, Tom Cruise being somehow not dead, Tom Cruise awakening ancient Egyptian corpses, a very hot and powerful (Princess) of Egypt wreaking havoc on the mortal world. Really, we got our remake.

OMG yes to all of that! Mortal Lestat AU. Did he wake her up w/ a kiss? Or violin music? Maybe it was a kazoo this time… I saw the trailer just last night, and I was like, AKASHA! “She will claim what she has been denied.” Yassss slay….

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Will she claim Tom too?! We’ll see…

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Tom Cruise & James Corden – Role Call

oh my god 

I thought he and Pitt decided to never ever talk abut this movie again???

@i-want-my-iwtv what is this????

Can’t you see? Tom’s auditioning to play Lestat again! Pfffft… Dude few ppl love Lestat more than Tom does, it’s Brad who hated being in that movie…

Re: to the nonnie who doesn’t want more movies. I have to agree partially because I feel that Kristen, Brad and Tom will always be the best. But I would be okay with some animation or CGI to make them look ten and 30 again.

Yes, you are preaching to the choir about Brad, Tom, and Kirsten *u* As for de-aging them, it worked for RDJ in Captain America Civil War.

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[^Digging this up again bc it gets funnier to me every time I repost it so you can all DEAL WITH IT]

It could work for the dudes but I don’t think Kirsten could be de-aged that far. As much as I loved our dream team, I’m also excited about the idea of casting fresh ppl, even if it’s ppl who are lesser known; they won’t carry the baggage of other characters we’re already familiar with. Give some new ppl a chance ^____^

We could cast ppl who are closer to the ages they were meant to be in canon. Brad and Tom were 30 and the characters were 20-21 (Lestat) and 25 (Louis), there was some difficulty finding a 5 yo talented enough to play Claudia, so I wouldn’t mind if they aged her up to 10 or 11. If they cast a 5 yo who looks perfect but can’t act like the frustrated adult inside, it won’t really work. 

… or we could do it as an animated feature and then cast the original voices zomg… 

No matter what, I would want Kirsten, Brad, and Tom (and Stephen Rea plz!) brought in to work with their replacements, at least to give them a few pointers, bc they nailed it. 

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“I love how everytime someone meets Louis for the first time theres…”

Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise did a magnificent job portraying Louis and Lestat. They were so canon and so on point, they embodied them perfectly. I don’t think that any two other actors could do a better job. Let’s just hope that it will be decent.

You are preaching to the choir *u* 

We have the unique opportunity now to cast ppl who are closer to the ages they were meant to be in canon. Brad and Tom were 30 and the characters were 20-21 (Lestat) and 25 (Louis). In the 90s, it was hard to accurately portray a homosexual relationship, and the world has become more accepting of it in film, so hopefully we can have more of their relationship chemistry actually on screen, too ❤