vagabonddaniel:

i-want-my-iwtv:

devilsfool:

lestatdelight:

oh my god what the heck is happening someone fanmailed me saying that im violating anne rice’s copyright what the heck what what oh my god im deleting this blog bye

//Okay, babies, first of all: 

We are all violating Mater’s copyright by having RP blogs. That is true. But unless you receive a C&D from Mater herself, you aren’t in any trouble. 

i-want-my-iwtv can probably clear this up a bit more, as they have more knowledge of this. 

But, as a fan who went through the entire “Oh God the fandom is gone because our writer is Some Crazy Bitch Who Sues Her Fans” thing, I’m pretty sure that a random person sending you fan mail doesn’t mean you are going to jail. Tumblr will delete your blog before that happens. 

Anyone want to correct me on this?

People Off the Page:

I’m looking into this. I have no idea if it’s legit or not, whether that was a real Cease & Desist message Lestatdelight received. I’m researching it.

Fairly certain that everything devilsfool wrote above is correct. Tumblr can pull your blog at the request of the copyright holder. You’re not going to jail. If it’s a legit C&D, all they want is the material removed. Little do they realize that it’s been reblogged all over the damn place and downloaded, and copied and pasted into documents offline, there IS NO COMPLETE REMOVAL of a blog’s output!

I happen to care immensely about the issues of copyright, fair use, intellectual property, etc. and also about the rights of fanartists to make fanworks. Because I adore fanworks. Because I adore the fandom who creates and enjoys fanworks.

And because I make fanworks, too. If this is legit I’m actually surprised they didn’t go after me first, this blog is far more offensive than lestatdelight’s. Anyone who knows this person, please help me get in touch with them so I can get more info about the whole situation from them. If anyone receives messages like that one, requesting you take down your blog, let me know because:

We need to know if this is going to spread to all the VC RPs and fandom blogs. 

Save things that you want to save. My blog is not immune. Download whatever you want, I may not be able to give warning before it’s taken down.

In the event that my blog is ever taken down, look for the tag #iwantmyiwtvRIP *cries*

HTTrack: This is a great website copier. You can download a site and then view it offline as if it was online, frozen at the time of download. You can even update an existing saved website, once you’ve downloaded it.

ooc: I highly doubt lawyers would send anything via fanmail. Last time the C&Ds came via registered mail, so… They might contact tumblr to get contact information, and tumblr might decide to delete blogs to cover their own butts, but it’s just sort of ridiculous for lawyers to send legal correspondence via such an unreliable method. They’d at least email and let you know a physical copy was being forwarded. Plus, it would be more wide-spread. Attacking one Lestat blog out of 500+ RP blogs makes no sense. So it’s probably just really, really cruel hate mail, and that really, really sucks. But I guess we’ll see.

So I just did a little research, more still to do. I still hope it’s really, really cruel hate mail and not legit.

What you’re describing is probably what Etsy would do, after receiving a Cease & Desist they would forward along a physical copy to the potentially infringing Etsy seller. Sellers provide addresses for Etsy to forward mail to.

In this case, it does make sense for the in-house attorneys at Knopf (and/or AR’s personal lawyers)  to send messages through Tumblr’s messaging system and not via physical mail, bc I don’t think Tumblr required an address to create a blog. All they have is a login email and an IP address to trace our locations.

Sending a Cease & Desist message to Tumblr might mean waiting a long time for a response, as there are probably tons of other messages going to them daily re: copyright infringement for other  blogs. Sending a message directly to the potentially infringing party and scaring the bejesus out of them can get the content removed immediately, which is what happened in this case.

It seems that the thrust of the issue was that the URL had “Lestat” in it explicitly. If your blog has a copyrighted character name, be wary of similar notices.

However, I take issue with the idea that “Daniel” or “Armand” or pretty much ALL of the other more generic VC names are really copyrightable unless you’re using the full name “Daniel Molloy,” which could be more of a problem since it would clearly indicate that character, as opposed to being any other Daniel. 

devilsfool:

lestatdelight:

oh my god what the heck is happening someone fanmailed me saying that im violating anne rice’s copyright what the heck what what oh my god im deleting this blog bye

//Okay, babies, first of all: 

We are all violating Mater’s copyright by having RP blogs. That is true. But unless you receive a C&D from Mater herself, you aren’t in any trouble. 

i-want-my-iwtv can probably clear this up a bit more, as they have more knowledge of this. 

But, as a fan who went through the entire “Oh God the fandom is gone because our writer is Some Crazy Bitch Who Sues Her Fans” thing, I’m pretty sure that a random person sending you fan mail doesn’t mean you are going to jail. Tumblr will delete your blog before that happens. 

Anyone want to correct me on this?

People Off the Page:

I’m looking into this. I have no idea if it’s legit or not, whether that was a real Cease & Desist message Lestatdelight received. I’m researching it.

Fairly certain that everything devilsfool wrote above is correct. Tumblr can pull your blog at the request of the copyright holder. You’re not going to jail. If it’s a legit C&D, all they want is the material removed. Little do they realize that it’s been reblogged all over the damn place and downloaded, and copied and pasted into documents offline, there IS NO COMPLETE REMOVAL of a blog’s output!

I happen to care immensely about the issues of copyright, fair use, intellectual property, etc. and also about the rights of fanartists to make fanworks. Because I adore fanworks. Because I adore the fandom who creates and enjoys fanworks.

And because I make fanworks, too. If this is legit I’m actually surprised they didn’t go after me first, this blog is far more offensive than lestatdelight’s. Anyone who knows this person, please help me get in touch with them so I can get more info about the whole situation from them. If anyone receives messages like that one, requesting you take down your blog, let me know because:

We need to know if this is going to spread to all the VC RPs and fandom blogs. 

Save things that you want to save. My blog is not immune. Download whatever you want, I may not be able to give warning before it’s taken down.

In the event that my blog is ever taken down, look for the tag #iwantmyiwtvRIP *cries*

HTTrack: This is a great website copier. You can download a site and then view it offline as if it was online, frozen at the time of download. You can even update an existing saved website, once you’ve downloaded it.

Hi i was wondering if you know any good Interview with the vampire fanfiction. I’m finding it very hard to find any fanfiction. Thanks x

Fanfic?? there’s no such thing as VC fanfic… pfffft. What are you crazy honestly??!

^Lestat is laughing bc he knows I is sarcastic.

In short, Anne Rice had waged war on VC fanfic in the mid-90s, sic’ing her lawyers on many fanfic writers, eventually breaking apart fanfic sites (“speculative fiction” or “spec” archives/communities) and driving many of these writers to stop writing altogether or do so in a more underground way.

Currently, she’s had conflicting stances on fanfic, but hasn’t made outright war at nearly that level. We try not to tag her in discussions of it, basically, we don’t try to provoke her by making our caches of VC fanfic known. Especially on Facebook, where she’s very active and might see it. She posted this on her FB in 2014 (I think):

Archive of Our Own (aka AO3) should satisfy you. Lots of good things about that site, one of which is the ability to bookmark/download/comment/kudos fics. They also have a mission statement about protecting these fanworks from copyright infringement arguments.

There’s also fanfiction.net, which I haven’t really tried, ppl say it’s good. 

You can try my #fanfic tag here, in which I’ve collected some that have made their way to tumblrland.

Also, explore the VC RP community here on tumblr, their threads are a form of fanfic. We don’t really have a wide-spread active VC RP directory but you can start with the vcdirectory (not updated currently, but there may still be some blogs on there to peruse), vcpositivity, and withinthesavagegarden

I am confused… so people who follow Anne on facebook do so slavishly? Maybe we just follow her because we like certain things that she posts? I don’t mean to sound whiny, but lumping all her fb followers together hurts. If that’s not what you meant and you were only referring to the people who /do/ follow her obsessively, then I apologize. I just can’t tell from your words in that post, so here I am.

TL;DR

I struggled with this answer, because, while it would be diplomatic to simply apologize, I won’t apologize that it was hurtful, because, as you’ll learn in this post, that group of “more obsessive” people have been and are much crueler to their victims than I was with that one word about them. 

~Here is a picture of Our Lady of VC for the more obsessive fans to frame and worship~

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Side note, before we go any further: Anon, why do you care who I lump anyone in with? I could say everyone who follows X is “a gullible baby,” and everyone who follows Y is “a perfect cinnamon roll, too good for this world,” but that doesn’t make either true. Obviously, if you don’t think you follow AR “slavishly,” then you don’t! Take a breath, this is tumblrland, this blog is for VC fandom love and fanworks (and fandom etiquette and education sometimes), it’s meant to be an outlet, an escape from reality, so don’t take things personally.

This is actually a great opportunity to educate you, Anon, and anyone else who might not be aware of the history between Anne Rice, her “People of the Page” (her phrase, not mine. ”POTP”) followers, her fandom outside of POTP, and outside people who have had opinions on her works. I could write a dissertation on this topic but it’s not worth the effort; this post will be TL;DR for most people. I’m doing this so I can tag it and use it again the next time this topic comes up. 

The short answer is: In the beginning, all of AR’s FB followers were POTP. No distinction needed to be made, because they were ALL highly obsessive to the point that they were her online army she could rally to attack people/reviewers who dared to have an opinion on her works. There have been many instances in which something critical to AR came along – or something that she INTERPRETED as critical – and AR makes a statement on her FB page about it, which is a thinly veiled order rallying her troops to inundate that source with their “discussion” on that review. Sometimes her POTP simply made so many personal attacks in the comments on the offending critical post that the victim is forced to withdraw/delete their review. This whole cycle has happened too many times. In fact, AR has recognized this pattern and actually said that she will no longer link to negative reviews of her works (½/14):

“Guys, I am always open to publishing negative reviews of my work for consideration, to balance the many positive reviews to which I link. But the negative reviewer must bring the review here and request it. When I’ve linked to negative reviews for discussion, some of the reviewers in question have felt that they were unfairly targeted; and they have objected to some of the comments made on their reviews. It just doesn’t work. So I no longer volunteer any negative review, no matter how well written, for discussion. Again, reviewers are welcome to bring their reviews to the page, and post links and offer them for discussion. Same with blog posts. I might not repost every single one; but I’m happy to see them posted on the page and to read them and consider them for reposting.”

“… if I link to them for discussion, some of these people get very upset. They accuse me of “demonizing” them. They call the People of the Page “hell hounds” for their comments. And admittedly, some people do make very unpleasant comments…”

She has 1.1 million followers as of this posting, and I, myself, am one of them. So, of all 1.1 million, at least one of her followers is not an obsessive “hell hound,” as described above.

I actually think she has moved past much of the drama, and now her POTP (both our kind, Anon, and the “more obsessive” kind) are more focused on news items, poetry, VC adaptations & casting ideas, headcanons/canon requests for AR, and other good things she likes discussion on. I enjoyed her #Fan Questions for Lestat, and the 15 yr old inside me still gets excited when she posts something about “Where are they now?” like Lestat doodling on a napkin, or the whole coven all flopped together on a couch watching Hell on Wheels, that’s good stuff *u*

Hit the jump for links to examples of POTP vs. reviewers clashing, etc.


1. War on Fanfic

So this is before the POTP’s time, but it’s worth noting that Anne Rice waged a War on Fanfic in the 1990′s. She had every right to do so, but it destroyed the fandom. She sicc’d her pack of lawyers on all VC fanfic authors, and forced speculative fiction (old-timey-wimey word for “fanfic”) sites to shut down. The fandom was driven underground; fanfic could only be shared very privately, possibly through email exchanges or carrier pigeons.

This experience taught AR a valuable lesson: Anything that she didn’t approve of could be shut down by forces she could marshal. Lawyers cost money, and take on only legitimate legal cases, and legal battles can get messy (she’s had other legal issues but I won’t go there, you can use your newfangled googley-woogly machine for that).

2. The Pandora story

Here’s where the POTP became AR’s army, and they didn’t cost a penny, and there were no legal ramifications in sending them forth on her behalf.

“Kayleigh Herbertson found Pandora to be a poorly written novel where the vampires didn’t act like vampires… after Herbertson was done writing the review she took the book, which was already falling apart, and turned it into decoupage.”

“[AR] chose to respond by posting a link on her Facebook page (where her 740 thousand Facebook followers could find it) and appended the invitation: “Comments most welcome.”.“

Her POTP left an enormous amount of harassing comments on that page, and eventually, it was taken down. Here are my two favorite POTP comments from that article:

  • HOW DARE YOU EVEN COMPARE SHITTY ASS STEPHANIE MEYER TO THE QUALITY WORK THAT IS ANNE RICE HOW DARE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU FUCKING HAG, I HOPE YOU GET HERPES
  • You bitch! 😡

Here’s a link to another article on this situation, with more context.

3. Mess of Links

Here, have at it. I can’t read through these all, but you can!

Hope this helped! I think we’re all coexisting pretty well these days, her People Of The Page and her – what I like to call ourselves – People Off the Page. Let’s just all take a chill pill and enjoy this series together, and if not, let’s just do it in our own way. Live and let live.

Hi there! I just wanted to say that I’m a huge fan of your blog and contributions to the fandom~ I don’t know if this has been asked before (and of it has, forgive me) but as a fellow rper and VC fan I was just wondering what your opinions are on Rice’s loathing towards fan fiction? I’ve been tempted before to rp different characters from the fandom but the research I’ve done on Rice have discouraged me a bit from trying but you do such a beautiful job and it’s always so tempting!

cloudsinvenice:

i-want-my-iwtv:

Awwww *u* such high compliments! Much thank. Very appreciate. THIS IS FOR YOU bc u know they totally roleplay too:

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gairid‘s headcanon is the inspiration for the shoes ;]

The short answer is:

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Which includes RP. You wanna RP? DO IT. We can always use more canon (and OC!) VC characters. Join in! I’m so sporadic with it, I wish I could devote more time to RP than I do but I have this daily chore thing i do called a “job,” very time-consuming, really cuts into my fandom experience grrrrrr…

You want some more? Hit the jump.

Keep reading

I have to clarify one thing – she HAS unfortunately had issues with RP in the past; when she found out about an RP forum a few years back, she had a cease and desist letter sent out (which I remember well because one of my best friends was wrongly blamed for having instigating that) to the domain owner. So, you know, enjoy VC RP cautiously, and let’s not give her reason to change that convenient policy of ignoring fic…

Hi there! I just wanted to say that I’m a huge fan of your blog and contributions to the fandom~ I don’t know if this has been asked before (and of it has, forgive me) but as a fellow rper and VC fan I was just wondering what your opinions are on Rice’s loathing towards fan fiction? I’ve been tempted before to rp different characters from the fandom but the research I’ve done on Rice have discouraged me a bit from trying but you do such a beautiful job and it’s always so tempting!

Awwww *u* such high compliments! Much thank. Very appreciate. THIS IS FOR YOU bc u know they totally roleplay too:

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gairid‘s headcanon is the inspiration for the shoes ;]

The short answer is:

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Which includes RP. You wanna RP? DO IT. We can always use more canon (and OC!) VC characters. Join in! I’m so sporadic with it, I wish I could devote more time to RP than I do but I have this daily chore thing i do called a “job,” very time-consuming, really cuts into my fandom experience grrrrrr…

You want some more? Hit the jump.


Let’s do this in bullet points, shall we?

  • AR waged war on fanfic in the mid 90′s. It was ugly. It drove the fandom underground and made fanfic very hard to find. Frowny face D:
  • We try not to tag her in discussions of fanfic or RP, basically, we don’t try to provoke her by making our RP or caches of VC fanfic known. Especially on Facebook, where she’s very active and might see it (and let’s not send her any links to fanfic or RP, etc.)  

  • She’s never seemed to have an issue with RP, specifically. Maybe bc it’s not full-blown fic, and is collaborative? Noone knows. Maybe she’s not aware of it. 
  • On a side topic, she seems to enjoy some fanart, she’s even publicly said she loves garama‘s work (I don’t have the proof rn, but I remember it).
  • On another side topic, she seems to enjoy cosplay, at least sheepskeleton‘s! 

  • Currently, she doesn’t seem to have an issue with fanfic. She hasn’t made a negative public thing about it other than this:

“…in 2012, Metro reported that Rice has taken a milder stance on the issue: “I got upset about 20 years ago because I thought it would block me,” she said. “However, it’s been very easy to avoid reading any, so live and let live. If I were a young writer, I’d want to own my own ideas. But maybe fan fiction is a transitional phase: whatever gets you there, gets you there.” “

  • Anything else I have on this subject is in my #war on fanfic tag, and I do try to keep it updated (sometimes other things bleed into that tag, like the ebook-tree.com/.net massive shitstorm around 4/2015)

TL;DR: She seems to have mellowed over time about it, so we can do it, but, just fanwork & play responsibly ❤

It may not look like it, but I try not to get too offensive to her. As difficult as it can sometimes be, we have to admit she did create these characters that have brought us all together, for which I’m endlessly grateful.

For those facing the whole EBOOK-TREE SHIT STORM:

thereadersmuse:

Along with sending a DMCA letter to the ebook-tree site, I strongly recommend also sending it to this email address as well.

abuse@moniker.com 

This is the email you want to send it to. The official email of the registrar that hosts the ebook-tree site. When you send an email to this site, if they fail to comply they will/can face legal action. It is like youtube, which hosts content. They are obligated to take down TV shows and Movies when nailed with a DMCA. And if they don’t you are within grounds to sue, so long as you are the copyright holder. 

To make a long story short, the site will probably ignore you. 

The people HOSTING that site? 

Well, we have a better chance.

(X) To my previous post on the matter.

(X) To those wondering how to take action, this cover provides an excellent template. And covers all the legal DMCA bases.

^If anyone’s still having trouble getting their fic taken down.

fyeahcopyright:

heidi8:

owlbookworm:

fyeahcopyright:

April 14, 2015 Update on ebooks-tree.com:

The original post is here. 

CloudFlare has responded to a number of people that they are only a “pass through” – basically, they do host ebooks-tree’s content but only for brief times, and we believe that ebooks-tree has been using CloudFlare to mask where they are truly hosted.

However, per CloudFlare’s policy, they have passed on to us information about where ebooks-tree is actually hosted, and here it is:

  Hosting Provider:
      —————–
      DFW Internet Services Inc. NET-DFW1
      Webzilla Inc. WEBZILLA-US-204-155-148-0-24 root@dfw.net

By some crazy random happenstance (to quote Doctor Horrible), Webzilla’s US address listed on its domain name registration page happens to be only a few blocks away from FYC’s Heidi’s favorite Lush store, and she may swing by that building later this week to see whether it’s an office with people working on stuff, or a maildrop. Webzilla’s Terms of Use say that “pirating” content is a violation of their Acceptible Use Policy (and so are schemes to defraud) so ebooks-tree is in violation of their contract with Webzilla.

However, Webzilla doesn’t seem interested in DMCA safe harbor provisions, because they don’t adhere to them per their Terms of Use, which say:

Webzilla Limited is willing to consider, of the company’s own volition, complaints sent to a designated email address or sent in writing to the appropriate street address, that appear to be genuine and meritorious; but any such complaint may be considered to be prejudiced if it does not contain the name, address, telephone number, and an appropriate email address of the complainant.

DMCA submissions do not need to include a name, address or telephone number; there’s nothing barring you from letting Webzilla know that ebooks-tree has infringed on your work, though, and you can still use the template below. However, Webzilla hasn’t actually designated any specific email address or street address to receive such missives; you can find various snail mail and email info on their website. They have a contact form there, too. 

If you hear back from anyone at Webzilla, please drop us an Ask and let us know what they said. 

Also, we’ve had a bunch of Asks on this topic. here’s some answers on: 

Info about DMCA requirements; More info; DMCA applicability

Copyrightability of RPF

How to do an electronic signature/e-sig

Here’s our tweet about the situation, and transformativeworkstweet about making it more difficult for ebooks-tree to scrape/take fics off the Archive. 

We’ll share more as we have it, and thanks to all of you for sharing so much info and support for fandom!

Yay AO3! Our tiny (but vocal) fandom titles are now off the ebooks-tree site!

Huzzah! So are our Hannah’s! (Heidi couldn’t find any of her fics, but there are so many allowed-under-law-because-it’s-public-domain copies of the novel Heidi up there that it was hard to find anything.)

Has anyone received an email response from ebooks-tree, or Webzilla? Drop us an Ask if you have!