Lestat, Louis is a sad sack of a man and doesn’t really seem to be worth loving. Ok so he’s ā€œbeautifulā€ that’s not enough to make a relationship last. Why is Louis worth loving?

//ooc: This is another fairly old ask, from November, 2017.Ā I think anon was trying to rile Lestat by calling LouisĀ ā€œa sad sack of a man and doesn’t really seem to be worth loving.ā€ Limiting him to just being ā€œbeautiful.ā€ And while it is fun to rile Lestat and see how he reacts, idk… I was kind of taken aback by this and I had too many thoughts about it to have Lestat respond flippantly, which he would have. I think Lestat either gets defensive about loving Louis, or just dismisses these kinds of comments, one less person for him to compete with for Louis’ attention, lol.

TL;DR: I think when ppl ask that, part of where they may be coming from is that THEY feel like aĀ ā€œsad sackā€ who’s maybe not worth being loved, especially by the main character in a series, a flashy glittery murder machine. They worry that even if they’re loved for beingĀ ā€œbeautifulā€ that that really isn’t enough for a relationship, and that’s absolutely true, if we’re defining beauty as superficial characteristics. The beauty of Louis, to me, is in his character, and the emotions of the scene.Ā 

I’ve written a lot about what draws me, as a reader, to love Louis, probably the best stuff is in my #we appreciate and love louis in this house tag. But I’ll try not to go overboard and answer you here, anyway!

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I think the deal with describing Louis as *~SO beautiful~* is partly that, hey, it’s fun to do, like having a favorite flower, and AR takes the opportunity to remind us of it, and put the camera on him in a scene, so we know he’s present. It also serves a purpose, we usually get at least a scrap of context about him and/or the scene:

ā€œI glared at him, at the sharp graceful angles of his imperturbable face, […] his wide-set eyes, with their fine rich black lashes. How perfect the tender indentation of his upper lip.ā€ -Lestat, The Tale of the Body Thief

^Let’s take this line and unpack it a little:

  • Lestat glares at Louis. –> Lestat is clearly pissed.
  • Louis’ imperturbable face –> Louis is not scared of Lestat being pissed.
  • And then Lestat lavishes this extra description on him, appreciatively. Attention on the lip area, now we’re picturing him pointedly staring there, which might precede a kiss, so we can infer that Lestat desperately wants to kiss him, probably. What I get from all that is the exquisite tension of Lestat wanting someone he can’t have, someone he treasures and wants even MORE bc of the difficulty.Ā 

It’s the tension of Lestat and other characters pining for Louis that AR wrings every drop out for us, she’s showing us how helpless these other characters are that they can only try to capture Louis with descriptions since he defies being owned by anyone. Unrequited love is a powerful thing.

Bringing these back, in case anyone else missed them and want to indulge in some Louis praise/discussion:

So, re: Anon might be identifying with Louis:Ā 

We can find ourselves slipping into the characters we love and identify with. Some ppl find Lestat relatable in his lust for life, self-centeredness, refusal to quit, constantly screwing up and berating himself in the narrative (but rarely being able to outright apologize to those he hurts)… a flawed character for sure but an inspiring one.

I think some ppl who relate to Louis and feel less flashy, less glamorous, there’s smtg very appealing about how such a character could be so idolized by the more flashy and glamorous one. What could such a *rockstar* like Lestat find attractive in Louis?? You said yourself Louis is a sad sack. And yes, beauty is not enough to keep a relationship going. But, as I mentioned above, Louis’ beauty is often described in a context that charges it with the emotions of the scene. At least to my reading, there’s more conveyed than just eye color.

Still, why wouldn’t Lestat demand someone who was more like himself?

But here’s the thing I think a lot of ppl miss when they’ve only seen movie!IWTV, or only read a few of the books.Ā 

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^Louis & Lestat by @garama​

I personally believe that Lestat sees in LouisĀ a similarly wounded soul with a lust for life. At their core, neither really want to die. Louis kept getting into fights with ppl bc he couldn’t kill himself as a mortal. Lestat has stubbornly refused to die his entire life and has had plenty of reason to want death. They’ve both almost killed themselves and been brought back. There’s a similar torment in them dealing with their natures.

As an anon put it so eloquently: ā€œI think ppl forget that Louis is just as passionate and vengeful as Lestat, it’s just that he isn’t as vocal or showy about it. He’s more intimate and intense.ā€

The way they communicate/express themselves, and the way they practice self-care is vastly different. Lestat builds up his beautiful shell with retail therapy, redecorating and refurbishing his dwellings, and attending all kinds of shows and making elaborate plans with his kills, just spoiling himself silly. Always down for indulging his senses. He’s chasing new experiences, learning the new slang, trying to keep himself in the latest fashions. Novelty.

Louis prefers his nights at home, low-drama, in his own creature comforts, with his books and poetry to escape into. We don’t know much of what he’s read but he seems to want to spend eternity reading. What is reading? Even if it’s nonfiction, it’s learning, being told a story, being more informed. It’s novelty, too. Escapism through the imagination.

And their personalities seem to complement each other. Lestat’s lust for adventure spices up Louis’ otherwise too-calm existence. Louis’ calm and dignified manner brings Lestat back down to earth when he gets too untethered. Their bickering is bc they care for each other, can see beneath each other’s disguises. Louis sees the frightened boy inside the frustration that makes Lestat lash out and attack first. Lestat sees the potential in Louis of someone who, if he could get over his inhibitions, could experience so much more in his life.

When AR was kind of RPing as Lestat in her #Fan Questions for Lestat series, she was asked smtg similar:

ā€œā€¦but if I did have to choose, the companion would be Louis. My longest most enduring friendship and love affair in this world was with Louis. And though his limitations can be maddening, they can also be as inspiring to me as his virtues… the best choices we make are not always the wise choices. Sometimes they are intensely emotional choices. And I’ve always had a deep Romantic respect for emotion. My love for Louis transcends wisdom. And I may need the pain as much as the consolation that an eternal relationship with Louis would involve.ā€œ

^This is one of those moments I talk about where I feel like she recaptures the old magic, taps into the vein (pun intended) that got us all addicted to this series in the first place. Why I can’t just discard the crackier later books. She’s not all that specific here, but it’s believable. At least, to me. Lestat admits that Louis’ limitations (and this can be so many things, things Lestat disagrees with him about as well as things Louis refuses to do) can be maddening, and inspiring.Ā 

And he admits that his love for Louis transcends wisdom. That may be a cop-out answer, but I’ve felt that kind of love in my life. Inexplicably bound to someone, despite the math of the personalities not seeming to mesh.Ā 

Love works in mysterious ways. Even for beautiful sad sacks and the arrogant bastards who love them ā¤

If I send a question to Lestat or Louis, do they know the books/movies exist? Or will they have no idea what I’m talking about if I say “I’ve only finished one book” or such?

For my Lestat and Louis muses, yes, they do know the VC books/movies exist. I think most VC RP muses know the VC books/movies exist, including the other adaptions. There were official graphic novels of the 90′s,Ā Claudia’s Story (the graphic novel of IWTV from Claudia’s POV), and the Lestat musical.

If you say you’ve only finished one book, you’d have to specify which book.

They tend to tease eachother about the casting choices or acting of their characters in the films.Ā 

Armand about Lestat:Ā ā€œTom captured your obnoxious attitude perfectly. I almost forgot it wasn’t actually you on screen.ā€

Lestat about Armand: *huffs* ā€œAt least I was played by someone who resembles me.ā€

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[X] In canon, the vampires haven’t mentioned any of the movies or graphic novel adaptations, but the books themselves are acknowledged as existing. Some in-universe characters take them as bibles, others laugh at them as cheesy or awful fiction.

Have you seen Anne rice’s article on Facebook of honey boo boo photoshopped into vc films?

This ask was from November, 2017, I’m not sure if these were all made by the same person, Ran Valerhon, but this person has been making them since at least October 2, 2012 (and it looks like Chris Rice had started it?). I’ve seen them… I get that they were made to be amusing, but it wasn’t really my sense of humor.Ā 

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^X What is going on with Honey’s torso here it looks painful…

I’ve got a few of these saved under the #honey boo boo tag. Gawds I found a link to a whole gallery of them:Ā http://izismile.com/2012/10/22/honey_boo_boos_movie_debut_9_pics.html#Xgfp0OtiBHfdcyzO.99Ā 

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Time has passed and they’ve grown on me a little. But not by much. Idk, not my sense of humor but have at it if you like it!Ā 

That’s my stance on VC shitposting in general, I draw the line at stuff that feels too disrespectful for me, but I’m sure my stuff crosses the line of disrespectful to some ppl. We coexist, the fandom is plenty big enough for Honey Boo Boo!Claudia to give ppl a laugh even if it doesn’t work for me!

Lestat, how do I look badass while still being girly at the same time?

ā™›Ah, fashion. One of my favorite topics. So much can be conveyed in fashion, a story adorning the body. Whatever gender you are, clothes do speak for you before you open your mouth. Certain people insist on advertising themselves as the bargain-bin at a thrift store *sharp glance at Louis.*Ā 

To your question, badass and girly is a delicious pairing. Think pastel colors bound with harsh blacks or metals. Something innocent coexisting with something threatening.

We’re talking

baby doll dresses, lace, floral prints, mixed with protective gear like fingerless gloves, thick jeans or leather vests. Weaponize it with studs, combat boots. Show you’ve been through battles with messy hair, bunched up in plastic barrettes or wild ribbons. Courtney Love, Taylor Momsen, and my own Tough Cookie have done well with that combination. Bold lipstick and eye makeup if you choose to do so, like war paint.

Think to yourself: My mother made me wear this dress when I was 12, I hated it, and I’m rebelling now when I couldn’t before. Don’t mistake my beauty for weakness, I’m equipped for a physical fight. Steel-toed boots and spiked jewelryĀ are a warning that you make offensive attacks, thick leather for defense. Just because you may have lively colors, florals for peace, and soft textures, you’re no frail creature to be f*cked with.

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//ooc: @superhiki had a great addition, which Lestat should have stated, but maybe he implied it:

And competence! You can dress however you want and BE a badass by being self reliant! Spikes are a costume, going to the DMV with all the paperwork you need completed filed in a nice folder and the attitude like you’re on a beach and not a rotting government building is arcane badassery that most people can’t handle. Now imagine that control of the situation but you’re also dressed like a fucking rockstar. Powerful.

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^Kurt Cobain rocked this look, too.

This amazing actor, now the villan in Star Wars, Adam Driver. He would be a perfect Armand, don’t you think?

Adam Driver is extremely gorgeous and so talented, I really enjoyed him in SW and I’m looking forward to whatever he does in his career!

It took me a moment to make the connection between Adam Driver and Armand, bc the book version of Armand is very different from the IWTV movie version!

In the movie version of IWTV, Armand is played by Antonio Banderas, a tall, dark, masculine vampire of the Old World. I can see where you might see some Adam Driver resemblance there…

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However! In the books, Armand was turned at 17 yrs old*, he has auburn hair, and he is supposed to look more angelic (and androgynous enough to pass for being female, as he says in TVA).Ā 

*ā€œI was perhaps seventeen years old when Marius made me into a vampire. I had stopped growing by that time. For a year, I’d been five feet six inches.ā€ – TVA.

This has been a bigger point of contention in VC fandom than the ā€œDumbledore said calmlyā€/ā€DIDJA PUT YA NAME IN THE GOBLET AFIRE??ā€ issue in Harry Potter fandom šŸ˜› Why Antonio and not smne resembling the canon character? You’ll find some answers in my #defending Antonio tag.

To my mind, I would love to have Adam as a vampire in our series. If we cast him as a more canon-compliant character, I would suggest Santino, Santiago, or even Nicolas de Lenfent. But we probably can’t afford him now *cries*

It’s my favourite thing in the world that you have an entire tag called ‘cute Armand’ mainly because I feel that would piss him off. But you’re right those pinchable cheeks just need their own tag

The #cute Armand tag is absolutely necessary and yes, I agree, it would piss him off!

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^This Cute Armand is part of a comic by @obsessional-ram