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this is ooc and i’m sorry but look. i feel like anne rice is totally dickish with her total ban on fanfiction/lack of interaction with fandom, etc, but 1. it’s her right to not want to participate in fandom and 2. she’s kind of right? at this point there are, off the top of my head, at least 2 hugely popular series right now that are complete rip-offs of other popular series (50 shades/twilight & mortal instruments/harry potter, both of which began as fanfics but are now almost —

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[2nd ask sent] – almost entirely just a complete theft of the intellectual property that they started as fan-derivative works of. so i don’t know if half of what op claims is fair? because it’s true that anne rice chased away her online fandom with a broom, but it’s not totally baseless given the circumstances. she’s not just some crazy old lady imo. sorry again, i don’t want to start a fight but i don’t agree.

Okay, so this is a HUGE topic and I could write an essay and a half on all the issues raised, but it DOES sound like you’re trying to start a fight, partly bc you submitted this on Anon (and you started w/ “this is ooc” so it’s clear you’re an RPer, infringing on the VC copyright through RP, which is writing fanfic, for free!) and partly bc of your general tone, which in all fairness I could be misreading.

I’m not sure you totally understand AR’s War on Fanfic in the early-mid 90′s, or the actual points raised in the post you disagree with so strongly, so that’s why I’m taking the time to answer. 

However, for everyone’s future reference: my policy has been to answer every Ask I get but that policy is changing NOW. If I get the feeling that a message is provocative in a negative way, I won’t answer it publicly. Privately, I might, if you come off Anon.

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^Louis doesn’t really want to get involved in this discussion. It’s ok, just sit there and look pretty, hun, we’ll keep this brief.

For the record, there are 2 separate bloggers on the post you’re referring to. 

1) Original Poster

@loustat

asked a question, “Why is there so little Vampire Chronicles fan activity or content?”​ [X], and then; 

2) @the-savage-nymph-art​ replied to that question [X]. Brilliantly and succinctly, I would add. They even provided one of the purposes of fanfic: to share headcanons. Whether in an AU, or PWP, etc., we’re exploring the characters through storytelling. 

What @the-savage-nymph-art​ didn’t mention is that exploring canon through writing/sharing fanfic (both for-profit and not-for-profit, I assume) predates AR’s War on Fanfic. You can do your own research on that, but here’s a good article to start with, by Ewan Morrison. 

And another great article by

Monika Bartyzel: talks about derivative works based on fanfic (it mentions 50 Shades & Twilight, too), but focusing on the Mortal Instruments. The thrust of the argument is that TMI was TOO derivative:

“…But until a story is willing to break through the boundaries of its inspiration and drop the mimicry in favor of its own voice, it will always be as derivative as its origins — no matter how many names you change.”

(^So there is a difference between fanfic that shares headcanons to explore, and fanfic that seems to merely mimic the canon it’s derived from.)

What @the-savage-nymph-art​ ALSO didn’t mention is that fanfic was shared for FREE when AR had her War on fanfic in the early-mid 90′s. This was to prevent the writing/sharing of fanfic that was not-for-profit. She was suing people because “It upsets me terribly to even think about fan fiction with my characters.” Not that she was concerned about the fanfic writers making money off their works, since they were being written/shared for FREE. Specs (short for “Speculative Fiction,” as they were called at that time) often had disclaimers at the top that the works were “written for love, not profit. Characters © Anne Rice” (and some fanfic authors continue to include these in various forms).

Anon, Anne Rice no longer has an issue with Fanfic. I don’t remember what year this was posted on FB but it was, and she hasn’t mentioned it since, that I’m aware of.

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^So really, with that, the argument is kind of over. 

But I am definitively saying, I run this blog as respectfully of Anne Rice as I can, w/ just a little light teasing bc we do that even to our own parents! she’s given us a great gift in the VC. 

This blog is about positivity and inclusivity, and arguing over whether a derivative work is worthy of being considered worth standing alone as a separate work, that’s for the courts to decide on a case-by-case basis as we define what is a “derivative” work. There are some fanworks that I love so much that I WISH they were canon, that I WISH I could buy as a beautiful physical book to repay the creators for bringing me Such Feels!

Hit the jump for just a little more. 

Anon’s argument has 2 points: 

A) That fanfic written for fandom and then altered by changing the character names, etc. (aka ”filing the serial numbers off”, “Hermione” becomes “Eloise” or whatever) so that it can be sold for profit, is infringing on the copyright of the original creator. Anon mentions 2 examples that are making tons of money. I’ve heard of those series and the accusations of their beginnings as fanfic. I haven’t read them or followed the reviews about them though, so I can’t comment on whether or not they really are derivative works.

B) That Anne Rice is wrongfully accused of being “just some crazy old lady” in defense of the her VC copyright.

As per Anon’s point A), this is a nebulous thing, copyright law is still being worked out for it. It’s slowly developing on a case-by-case basis, and sometimes it’s settled out of court. Look at the Unofficial Harry Potter Encyclopedia case, for example. Not a fanfic, but still, a fanwork. The judge ruled that the

Unofficial Harry Potter Encyclopedia could be published for profit, in an abridged version of how it was originally intended to be, bc it served as a reference work, so it had value, but in its entirety it would have been

unfair competition w/ a similar work that J.K. Rowling intended to release (and she is still working on, years later).

As for your point B):

Nowhere in @the-savage-nymph-art​‘s reply is Anne Rice referred to as “just some crazy old lady.” In fact, it was only you, Anon, who called her “dickish.” 

Actually, there are several mocking references in @the-savage-nymph-art​‘s commentary to those who write fanfic, in the usual Tumblrland Hyperbole™ kind of way, which is intended to grab your attention and add a little levity to a serious and saddening topic. Don’t you get the joke, Anon? Silliness! Or can you not take it as humorous when smne mentions “your gloriously blushing butt-cheeks” ? 

I disagree with you, Anon. Anne Rice has given us an incredible gift. Yes, I have mentioned that she waged War on Fanfic. That’s a fact. It’s actual history.

Fanfic sold for money w/ the serial numbers filed off, (like 50 Shades does to Twilight and the Mortal Instruments *allegedly* does to Harry Potter) well, the creators of the original works have every right to pursue copyright protection! Have they, in these cases? Because the authors of 50 Shades and the Mortal Instruments seem to be doing fine, getting movie deals an all.   

Maybe the authors of 50 Shades and the Mortal Instruments were sued and settled out of court. 

But maybe, in these cases, the derivative work (as Anon calls them) was sufficiently AU of the fandoms they were adapted from to constitute enough originality to be considered works that stand on their own.

Let’s see what happens when someone writes fanfic w/ the serial numbers filed off based on 50 Shades and the Mortal Instruments!

Oh wait, 50 Shades already has a parody of it, 50 Shades of Black. Let’s get popcorn and see if a legal dispute fires up…

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what they say: I’m fine
what they mean: Why is there so little Vampire Chronicles fan activity or content? Where is the fanbase? I understand that it’s older but the appeal is still massive. This is something that you can like for years and years and not get over. Why is it there aren’t hoards of new fans every year? What can you want more than beautiful bisexual vampires? I mean Anne Rice practically invented the modern vampire genre. There’s dozens of shows and book series that owe their creative careers to her. She is one of the bestselling writers of all time!!! The fact that there isn’t a bigger active fanbase especially since Prince Lestat’s release kind of blows my mind. I mean there was even a blockbuster motion picture with an allstar cast. How are there not more new young fans? How do we get more? Like I know so many people who have seen and enjoyed the movie but where is the huge cult following behind the film and the books?

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You Want to know why?
Because Anne Rice likes to sue your gloriously blushing butt-cheeks off if you DARE to produce fanfiction of her characters and works.
And most book based fandoms thrive from fanfiction, the telling of stories how it could be (or should be) or what might have happened IF ONLY…..
Then fanarts are created for said fanfictions and for the original books as well, if they have content that is worth ‘arting’ for. But Anne Rice isn’t loyal to her characters and one of the reasons she likes to sue fanfiction-writers is because they might have better ideas than she. Or the same and it might look like she was stealing that idea.

Then there is the fact that her books have lessened in quality with each new book. (An oppinion many of the fans I know share.)
From MY point of view… only two and a half books are even worth reading (out of thirteen)and one movie worth watching (“Interview with the Vampire”! I wouldn’t bother watching “Queen of the Damned”…), because she doesn’t care to check canon facts, names, dates and characters.
The only one she cannot possibly write OOC is Lestat, because he canonly is all over the place with his ego anyway.

This Fandom, for most parts, lives on Head-Canons. Like “Imagine Nicolas de Lenfent faked his death somehow” or “What if Akasha and Enkil had actually loved each other till the very end and they had a deal to come back together after her little interlude with Lestat and playing goddess”.
And how do you present your Head-Canons to the fanbase? Mostly through fanfiction. (Which you can get your pretty butt sued off for.)

Most activity in the VC-fandom is limited to roleplay and some fanart/cosplay. Because she hardly can sue that.
And that is why there is so little movement in the fandom. We enjoy what good she did (Creating the characters we love) in silence, keeping to ourself with few friends in many little covents, so to speak.

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kyraneko:

roachpatrol:

valnon:

shadesofmauve:

I was cruising through the net, following the cold trail of one of the periodic “Is or is not Fanfic the Ultimate Literary Evil?” arguments that crop up regularly, and I’m now bursting to make a point that I never see made by fic defenders.

We’re all familiar with the normal defenses of fic: it’s done out of love, it’s training, it’s for fun. Those are all good and valid defenses!

But they miss something. They damn with faint praise. Because the thing is, when you commit this particular Ultimate Literary Evil you’ve now told a story. And stories are powerful. The fact that it wasn’t in an original world or with original characters doesn’t necessarily make it less powerful to any given reader.

I would never have made this argument a few years ago. A few years ago I hadn’t received messages from people who were deeply touched by something I wrote in fanfic. So what if it’s only two or three or four people, and I used someone else’s world and characters? For those two or three or four people, I wrote something fucking important. You cannot tell me that isn’t a valid use of my time and expect me to feel chastened. I don’t buy it. I won’t feel ashamed. I will laugh when you call something that touches other people ‘literary masturbation.’ Apparently you’re not too up on your sex terminology.

Someone could argue that if I’d managed the same thing with original characters in an original world, it could’ve touched more people. They might be right! On the other hand, it might never have been accepted for publication, or found a market if self published, and more importantly I would never have written it because I didn’t realize I could write. The story wouldn’t have happened. Instead, thanks to fanfic being a thing, it did. And for two or three or four people it mattered. When we talk about defending fanfic, can we occasionally talk about that?

I once had an active serviceman who told me that my FF7 and FF8 fic helped get him through the war. That’ll humble you. People have told me my fanfic helped get them through long nights, through grief, through hard times. It was a solace to people who needed solace. And because it was fanfic, it was easier to reach the people who needed it. They knew those people already. That world was dear to them already. They were being comforted by friends, not strangers.

Stories are like swords. Even if you’ve borrowed the sword, even if you didn’t forge it yourself from ore and fire, it’s still your body and your skill that makes use of it. It can still draw blood, it can strike down things that attack you, it can still defend something you hold dear. Don’t get me wrong, a sword you’ve made yourself is powerful. You know it down to its very molecules, are intimate with its heft and its reach. It is part of your own arm. But that can make you hesitate to use it sometimes, if you’re afraid that swinging it too recklessly will notch the blade. Is it strong enough, you think. Will it stand this? I worked so hard to make it. A blade you snatched up because you needed a weapon in your hand is not prey to such fears. You will use it to beat against your foes until it either saves you or it shatters.

But whether you made that sword yourself or picked it up from someone who fell on the field, the fight you fight with it is always yours.

Literary critics who sneer at fanfic are so infuriatingly shortsighted, because they all totally ignore how their precious literature, as in individual stories that are created, disseminated, and protected as commercial products, are a totally modern industrial capitalist thing and honestly not how humans have ever done it before like a couple centuries ago. Plus like, who benefits most from literature? Same dudes who benefit most from capitalism: the people in power, the people with privilege. There’s a reason literary canon is composed of fucking white straight dudes who write about white straight dudes fucking. 

Fanfiction is a modern expression of the oral tradition—for the rest of us, by the rest of us, about the rest of us—and I think that’s fucking wonderful and speaks to a need that absolutely isn’t being met by the publishing industry. The need to come together as a close community, I think, and take the characters of our mythology and tell them getting drunk and married and tricked and left behind and sent to war and comforted and found again and learning the lessons that every generation learns over and over. It’s wonderful. I love it. I’m always going to love it. 

Stories are fractal by nature. Even when there’s just one version in print, you have it multiplied by every reader’s experience of it in light of who they are, what they like, what they want. And then many people will put themselves in the place of the protagonist, or another character, and spend a lot of time thinking about what they’d do in that character’s place. Or adjusting happenings so they like the results better.

That’s not fic yet, but it is a story.

But the best stories grow. This can happen in the language of capitalism—a remake of a classic movie, a series of books focusing on what happened afterwards or before—or it can happen in the language of humanity. Children playing with sticks as lightsabers, Jedi Princess Leia saving Alderaan by dueling Vader; a father reading his kids The Hobbit as a bedtime story as an interactive, “what would you like to happen next?” way so that the dwarves win the wargs over with doggie biscuits that they had in their pockets and ride to Erebor on giant wolves, people writing and sharing their ideas for deleted outtake scenes from Star Trek and slow-build fierce and tender romance with startling bursts of hot sex between Hawkeye and Agent Coulson.

A story at its most successful is a fully developed fractal, retold a million times and a million ways, with stories based on stories based on stories. Fanfic of fanfic of fanfic. Stories based on headcanons, stories based on prompts, stories that put the Guardians of the Galaxy in a coffee-shop AU and stories where the Transformers are planet-wandering nomads and stories where characters from one story are placed into a world from another. Stories that could be canon, stories that are the farthest thing from canon, stories that are plausible, stories that would never happen, stories that give depth to a character or explore the consequences of one different plot event or rewrite the whole thing from scratch.

This is what stories are supposed to be.

This is what stories are.

This is the most beautiful thing I have ever read. Thank you. Read this, @audlie45, and especially @goddessforloki, who doubts herself for no reason. @hallotom, if you can, please tag some necessities you know.

LestatxLouis HC: Lestat often climbs into Louis’s coffin at night cause he still cries over Claudia. He only does so around Louis cause the memory is so strongly associated with him.

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#headcanon accepted

Oh definitely! ;A; Look what you made me dooo…

Just beginning to drift off, there was a soft rapping at my coffin. “Louis?”

Movement was difficult. Rather just stay down. Pretended to sleep.

“Louis, are you awake?”

He wouldn’t let up. “Can this wait ‘till tomorrow?“ 

A brief silence, and the rustling of fabric. He was probably wringing his hands.

I rallied my strength and pushed the lid of my coffin aside a few inches. “Well, what is it?”

When I saw his face I immediately regretted my tone. Tears wobbled in his eyes, a few red trails of tears already marked his cheek. He leaned back as if to step away.

“Oh, Lestat, I’m so sorry, please, what’s wrong?” I said, opening the lid enough to sit up and reach for him. He hesitated, then knelt down, shivering a little as our hands met.

“I- I miss her. A little girl tonight… I bought her a doll… and she smiled…” He managed, shoulders folding in like a bird’s wings. I was so drained, though, the sunrise was rapidly approaching. “She had sweet little dimples just like… just like…”

“Shhh, get in, here, there’s room for you,” I tossed out a few ragged old pillows I normally used. He was shaking a little as I guided him in, and let me arrange him. I shut the lid and fell back finally as he wrapped his arms around me. “Better?” I looked deeply into his eyes.

“Better.” He nuzzled into my hair. “You smell like her.” He took a few more deep breaths.

“So do you, Lestat.” I gripped him tighter, his hair brushing my face, took in his wholesome scent, and let the darkness take us both.

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deans-gay-thoughts:

Reading fanfiction that has your otp calling each other “baby”, “sweetie”, “darling” etc. when they really wouldn’t at all. Ever.

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Lol if u were around back innthe old days of trek slash u have to be old as dirt, what are u still doing here writing fanfiction, get a life.

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thorduna:

ohfreckle:

So what, are you planning on becoming a boring old fart with no hobbies or interests? Without us “old people” you wouldn’t even know what fanfiction is. 

hoooooly balls

no offence to young talents (and i use this word for a reason – young writers might surely have talent, but not experience) but i’d like to see anon enjoy a fandom where all the fic was produced strictly by 15 yr olds

and the irony of this being a reaction to a post/piece of history that clearly shows who are the people that kickstarted fandom as we know it today.. wow

At lease in our fandom, we treat many of the older works and writers with the utmost respect. Older works had to survive through wars on fanfic and fanart just to be around for the younger ppl to enjoy.

With age comes experience and talent can be found in younger ppl but it can also be accrued over time. You should appreciate your fandom elders and their contributions. Many of us DO have lives, outside of fandom, and we have limited time to continue to share accrued gifts with you, in the form of fanart, fanfic, meta, etc. 

Fandom is like any other hobby, what makes it more or less worthwhile than any other for an older fan to continue? I’ve loved swimming since I was a little kid GUESS I BETTER STOP now that I’m in my 30s?

Get off our lawn, ungrateful Anon.

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roselioncourt:

It was like waking from a nightmare, a terrible dream that plagued her, but instead of waking alone, she was with her coven. Her family. Family. After all those years alone, only seeing Lestat for a few nights at a time, she now had true family.

The blood had taken hold of her heart, changing her, transforming her. Rose looked to Viktor, as she was unable to see these changes on herself, she could see them take root in him. He complexion was paling, and he resembled his father a bit more, only in the sense that Viktor no longer looked human, but preternatural, as Lestat did. Still held by so many, her hand reached up to touch Lestat’s cheek, her look purely apologetic. Sorry that she hadn’t been strong enough to face her demons alone. The plan had been for Pandora and Marius to switch off with her and Viktor, giving them both blood, changing them together by feeding and drinking, the old way to make them strong. But she hadn’t been unable to survive the draining and drinking cycles, and now her mind would forever be locked to Lestat.

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fyeahcopyright:

fyeahcopyright:

“If you have some fan-tastic fic, we’d love to read it. Send us your finest work and one winner will be published in the pages of EW and on EW.com.”

Yep, that’s a thing that Entertainment Weekly – who are generally a fandom-supportive magazine/website – is doing this month. January is Fanuary, and they’re focusing on fandoms, fan creativity (fic and art), fan theories and more.  

It’s definitely not the first time that a mainstream publication has focused on fanworks – look at the article on My Immortal in NY Magazine last summer, or about 90% of what happens at SDCC and NYCC. It’s also not the first time that a mainstream entity has encouraged fanworks submissions – Lucasfilm has hosted (”curated”) fan-film fests, Mtv and the BBC have showcased fanart in galleries and at comic-cons, Wattpad has worked with shows like Dig by hosting fanfic, etc.

And EW is owned by Time, Inc., which isn’t actually owned by Time Warner anymore, though there are still certain lingering licenses and relationships between the two companies. Whether you’re ok with – or excited by – Fanruary, think it’s a great way to get more readers, writers, artists and reccers interested in awesome fanworks and share squee, or if you think it’s a way for a major multinational to get clicks and free content from fandomers, or whether it’s irrelevant to you and your fannishness, the contest terms of use are a watershed moment for fanworks, because of parts of its Terms of Use; some sentences are awesome. Other parts are kind of weird. 

This bit is awesome: 

Entrant represents that any fan fiction submission and other materials submitted as part of Entrant’s Contest entry are original…

Before, say, 2013, it would be surprising for a mainstream publication to create a contest that is premised upon the fact (not the idea, not the theory, but the fact) that the fan fictions submitted therein is “original”. 

But given recent cases, including those, like Google Books that we’ve written about here, that’s become an accepted fact. A fanfic can be an original work. EW can ask for fanfic submissions that do not “infringe upon the rights of any third party” because it’s an accepted legal judgment that fanfic does not automatically infringe upon the rights of any third party. They didn’t ask for fic only based on works in the public domain, like Shakespeare and Sherlock Holmes and Jane Austin. 

They ask the entrants to affirm that the entry does not “otherwise” infringe on any third party’s rights. The underpinning to this is that fanfiction is transformative, Fair Use and thus non-infringing. It says “fan fiction submission” – not just “submission”. By putting “fan fiction” into that sentence, they’re creating a situation where a court would have to use the standard meaning of “fan fiction”. Now, EW is obligated to accept whatever risk could vest, at least re what they eventually opt to publish.

It’s a good thing to have in your archives of Why Fanfic Is Noninfringing, basically, and we like archiving things that say that, especially when they come from big companies that are related to at least some of The Powers That Be. 

While we’ve seen some say that you’re handing over your story to EW if you enter the Fanuary contest, it appears that you’re actually not assigning it to EW or anyone else. The ToU for the contest says:

Entrant grants to Sponsor a non-exclusive, worldwide, royalty-free license to edit, publish, promote, republish at any time in the future and otherwise use Entrant’s submitted fan fiction, along with Entrant’s name, likeness, biographical information, and any other information provided by Entrant, in any and all media for possible editorial, promotional or advertising purposes, without further permission, notice or compensation (except where prohibited by law).

Under this, they can do a lot with the story you submit, even if you don’t win, but they don’t have any exclusive rights to it just because you submit it to the contest – although it wouldn’t surprise us if the winner has to grant a broader license before they publish their story. 

However, the first paragraph says, “Entries become sole property of Sponsor and none will be acknowledged or returned.” @ew​, we think that someone might not have beta-read the contest rules, because the copyright license in the Rules contradicts the implication in the first paragraph, in a way that makes the first paragraph look poorly worded because it’s vague as to what the entry actually is. If @ew​ does a similar contest in the future, they may want to just say “No entries will be acknowledged or returned.” ETA: @rivkat discusses this issue here. 

ETA for clarification: In the US, a license or assignment of copyright can only be done in writing, and while a nonexclusive license (like the one spelled out in the Rules) can happen without a signature, as the Copyright Office says, a “transfer of copyright ownership … is not valid unless an instrument of conveyance
(for example, contract, bond, or deed) or a note or memorandum
of the transfer is in writing and is signed by the
owner of the rights conveyed or the owner’s duly authorized
agent.” See 17 U.S.C. § 204(a).

We don’t believe that submitting a contest entry constitutes a signing by the fic-writer; if it doesn’t, then there’s no assignment of the fic. There is, as we said, a non-exclusive license, but that means that after submission, the fic-writer can still do anything they want to with said story. 

[Updated Jan. 4, 2016 at 1:50 PM EST]

Glad to see @entertainmentweekly updated the rules as we recommended yesterday. More info via @themarysue http://www.themarysue.com/not-cool-ew-fanfic/

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Hello! I was wondering, since you’re a VC fandom veteran, do you have any idea why old fanfic writers had a tendency to write Marius as a villain in their stories? I came across many old fics that portrayed him as insanely controlling and abusive to other characters, and I know he’s no saint but he’s a lot more ethical than a lot of others, so I was wondering, was there a time when the fans expressed so much vitriol towards him?

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remarried:

vagabonddaniel:

coldinhumanity:

i-want-my-iwtv:

Ah, hmmmmmm…. I don’t remember that specifically, and I’m feeling like I should know that… 

^Lee Pace as Marius bc of reasons. 

… but I can surmise that since he was the only authority figure anyone paid respect to for awhile, that would naturally lead to them speculating on him abusing such status. 

Which he did, somewhat, with Armand, when he took him in. I haven’t personally dissected that ship too thoroughly, so I wouldn’t know. 

I’ll open this up to the group: Anyone out there have an answer for this anon?

//Haven’t been around long enough to know (only got into the fandom in 2005), but I would guess it’s just what you said.. that maybe his and Armand’s relationship as it came through in TVA and B&G was a negative surprise to people? Especially compared to how favourably he’s portrayed in say TVL/QotD.

ooc: I think it’s partially the later stuff with TVA and B&G, where he comes off as a not-so-nice guy. But back when there were only three books, Marius was the authority figure trying to implement rules for the vampires, so he was an obvious antagonist for The Brat Prince, resident rule-breaker. 

I read the books when I was 13 and was like, “wee everyone is hot” but then I reread them at 27 with more scrutiny and formed some vastly different opinions on characters. I realized I didn’t like Marius at all LMAO it’s just because he’s got a personality I’m not fond of in a man. 

So I imagine people might have been “eh *grunts & hand waves*” on Marius and that somehow designated him the one to make the villain when it suited. Fandom is not known for having impartial views on anything – now or back then.

^All good reasons, TVA and B&G would have had a big impact on fandom’s perception of Marius.

Later-canon Marius is very… um… he seems to have misplaced some of his marbles.  

#marius I leave u alone with my mortal luvvies for 5 DAMN SECONDS WTF