AND THEN I HAD TO KEEP LAUGHING TO KEEP MYSELF FROM CRYING.
Think of how strong Louis must be though…he doesn’t even ask or question the others, but you know that he sees and senses: he never tests his strengths, his possible powers that he’s not only gained through his age but by the fact that he was changed and has since shared blood with Lestat who has drank of the most powerful undead. He probably has abilities to match Armand or even more by this point. And he doesn’t.
He at once says that he doesn’t think he has a touch of humanity in him anymore, but his actions lead towards the belief that he clings to whatever humanness is left in him.
And out of the vampires, despite the fact he is indiscriminate in his killings, he seems the most gentle, or at least the most obviously opposed to hurting things himself outside of the need to hunt: think about his choice of weapon—fire.
Fire burns on its own, Louis has to light the match, but the violence is done by the fire, not by himself.
Yes we were just talking about that, I have a new tag for that kinda topic: To ship or not to ship. This is a huge topic but I will try to be concise.
Apparently in a alternate draft version of IWTV, Claudia finds a few young boy vampires in Paris and ends up leaving Louis for them. Would that have been better? Would she have had a sexual relationship with them, bc they alone shared her problem and could overcome it? I like to think so ❤
So in the actual book, with that scene… She gets Louis to share that sex “‘…was something hurried…And… it was seldom savored… something acute that was quickly lost. I think that it was the pale shadow of killing.’” It’s not clear whether he tells her that bc:
it’s physically accurate (bc Ricean vampires cannot has penetrative sex with their equipment, therefore they’re all asexual)(that’s canon),
he’s saying it so as not to hurt her feelings and make her feel like she’s really missing out, or
he actually feels that way? Is killing so much better? Or did he really not enjoy mortal sex that much? THESE ARE THE QUESTIONS.
…of course in fanon, they do all have sexytimes, constant degenerate frackin, and Claudia knows damn well What They Do in the Shadows, and why they sign her up for all this tutoring, and she’s jealous as HELL but I digress…
Then, she says: (I’m paraphrasing) “Hurting you like I’m doing now, that is also a pale shadow of killing?”Louis admits that YES it is, and he pretty much bolts out the door at that point…which I think is especially powerful bc it implies he has admitted to her that she is fucking him with her words alone. And he does not like it. As much as he wants to please her, it is a clear rejection of her in that regard, yet again unu
Hit the jump for unpopular opinions about Claudia, but basically, I think she could have experienced all the intimacy that the adult Ricean vampires experience, because they are asexual in canon, and instead share blood as their *~HIGHER~* form of intimacy. Unfortunately for her, Claudia never really had a relationship with anyone that wanted to do that with her ;A;
It’s worth mentioning that they auditioned about 100 little girls for the role in IWTV, and no 5-7 yr old could handle the part. With Kirsten Dunst (auditioned first), who I think was 11 at the time, it made Claudia’s frustration that of a tween, someone who is just about to hit puberty, very different physical and emotional stage than that of a 5 yr old. At 11, she is clearly too old to be treated like a doll, and it makes it that much harder for her to accept that she was just a few years away from having a passable adult body ;A;
Claudia really is an adult in a small body, just like any Little Person is. In Queen of the Damned, she has a diary entry, 9/21/1836, she’s at least 30 yrs old:
“This is my birthday present from Louis… I do not understand entirely what is meant by birthday. Was I born into this world on the list of September or was it on that day that I departed all things human to become this?”
Anyway, Little People do have active sex lives, otherwise why would we still have them around? Some even have relationships with non-Little People.
Specifically with Claudia, the issue remains that she looks like a child, so only another mortal child or an adult pedophile would even attempt to be sexual with her, both of which EW GROSS. I headcanon that Claudia enjoyed luring and killing pedophiles. She’s also capable of experiencing all the sensuality that comes with *~blood sharing~*, and her voracious appetite was partly because it was her only means of sexual gratification.
I think Claudia IS curious about sexuality, I think she’s passionate in many ways and wants a deeper connection (actual LOVE) w/ another soul, and alot of her frustration about her body is that she is denied that sexual intimacy. Sexual intimacy alone does not guarantee love and/or a deeper connection with another person, but don’t we all search for someone to understand us, someone we can share our innermost feels with? Or more than just one? In that sense the coven structure was really good for the Children of Darkness.
Claudia really had noone that she trusted that much. She only showed Louis her pain in glimpses and that was nearly too much for him. I think that Claudia felt that her body was the only obstacle in the pursuit of finding a kindred spirit, someone to truly love her more than as a daughter, but it was also her mind.
Question for the mun: who do you ship David with? And how hard to you ship them?
(I’d send an Ask like a normal question but for some reason the button is inaccessible when I’m… not on my home ‘puter…)(WHO IS A BAD GIRL DOING THIS FROM THE AWFFICE)(spoiler alert: it’s me)
———-
OOC: (You BAD GIRL. <3)
The H.M.S. Noship: Okay. So, for my take on David, I haven’t really settled him into any romantic relationships on Tumblr. Part of this is because I play him still at a point where he is working through his transitions of mortality and immortality. David’s having to relearn himself with this second ‘restart’, while also watching the last threads of his mortal life dissolving (i.e. All those people from the Talamasca that knew him when he was alive, that he visits as they die one by one.) around him. It’s more of a struggle for him than his outward calm and demeanour indicates. The idea of settling into a relationship is far from his thoughts.
That said, here are the ships in order of my hardcore-ness:
H.M.S. I Wanna Do Bad Things With You: Armand/David
I put this one at the top of the list, and not for the obvious reasons that most people think. Yes, David showed an inclination for youthful people in his mortal relationships. However, that is hardly relevant now when he himself looks to be only in his mid-twenties. In fact — while Armand is physically attractive — the physical aspect of it isn’t what draws David to him.
Armand has proven himself a formidable psychic presence. His illusions, his ability to lock Ancients out of his mind. He’s not an outwardly emotional individual. Armand is balanced by all of the experiences of his life, and the intrigue of all those internalized mysteries appeals to David.
David loves Lestat. Despite everything that happened, he loves him. The obstacle is the loss of control and trust that exists for them now. In his friendship with Lestat while he was mortal, David felt that they were coming together as peers, as equals. That Lestat was considerably older than him didn’t matter: He was able to advise him, to lend his opinion as a mortal man with a lifetime of experience.
Lestat never belonged to David. In immortality, this is no different and he knows this. David would be required to adapt himself to sharing Lestat with other people if they were going to have a successful romantic relationship. They’d also need to go through a period of time where Lestat rebuilt that trust before David allowed Lestat to make him so vulnerable again. Love and intimacy are a vulnerability of self, after all.
H.M.S. Brother From Another Mother: Louis/David
These two went through a roller coaster of emotions together after Memnoch. David was still new in the Blood, and Lestat was suddenly gone beyond their reach. They had to lean on one another to get through it. David built up such tender feeling towards Louis while all of this was happening. He found in Louis an ideal person to spend the quiet time with. They both have that quiet in common; the peace of just spending a night reading, not seeking excitement.
The situation with Merrick was heartbreaking. Not because of David (under the influence of the spell) fearing so much that he was losing her to Louis but due to the heartache he clearly demonstrates in believing that Louis was violating his trust selfishly in pursuit of the woman. The end of the chapter where they ask David to leave always breaks my heart. His threat to Louis seems like David bracing himself to lose Louis too in all of the mess.
H.M.S. I Don’t Even Know, Bro: ??/David
I haven’t explored too many major ships beyond those. I could see David settling happily with people like Jesse, Daniel, even Marius. Those with a similar appreciation for knowledge or with their own unique intellect. And of course I ship Aaron Lightner/David Talbot BROSHIP FOREVER.
while I don’t think an aged up Claudia would give a second thought to ravishing Louis,
YEP NO HESITATION THERE bc let’s be honest we all want to ravish Louis ok.
she’s a symbol for everything that horrifies him about himself, and I don’t think that that would exactly be grounds for amorous thoughts.
Indeed.
Sure, he loves her and cares for her,
Exhibit A:
but I think if she was an adult, it’d be a lot easier for him to see just how far mentally out there she is, how evil, how unable to understand human goodness she had grown to be.
She’s worse than Lestat about playing w/ her food, that’s for sure, and choosing to kill innocents specifically is NOT a turn-on for Louis.
(I assume you mean more than just unconscious sleep, which yes, he did sleep with her, that’s canon)
Y’know that’s smtg I’ve thought about, too. Was it only her body/age that was the obstacle there? She seemed to think so… or so it seems from what Louis shares with us re: just a few times when she even opened the subject with him.
Particularly that time in Europe when they had just killed the Icky Gross Mindless Vampire, and they’re totally exhausted and hungry, and she offers him her wrist:
“ `Drink,’ she whispered, drawing nearer. `Drink.’ And she held the
soft, tender flesh of the wrist towards me. ‘No, I know what to do;
haven’t I done it in the past?’ I said to her.” <—- REJECTED. I don’t think Claudia shared blood w/ either Lestat or Louis, at least not in any intimate way, ever, which had to have been part of her not-growing-up frustration.
SO BACK TO THE QUESTION AT HAND:
No, I don’t think Louis would have slept with Claudia if she had been turned at 18+ bc there were more obstacles than just her physical form.
For one thing, Louis was in a relationship already with Lestat, even though it was a problematic one.
The chemistry between people (even IRL) has to work in that way for there to be any sexual attraction.
He always cared for her like a daughter. She was very much his own security blanket, a buffer and a glue between him and Lestat.
She was less human than either of them, which did not seem to be something that made her more attractive, but less comprehensible to him: ” `I love you now with my human nature, if ever had it,’ I said to her.
“ `Ah yes …’ she answered, still musing. `Yes, and that’s your flaw,
and why your face was miserable when I said as humans say, ” I hate
you, “ and why you look at me as you do now. Human nature. I have
no human nature.’ ”
Also, in terms of canon vampire physiology, the Ricean vampires seem to be asexual, blood gives them all the satisfaction they need/want in that regard. It’s in fanon and RP that they’re sexual.
As a side note, claudiaindarkness might have some good opinions on this, bc she often RPs Claudia aged up. thevampire-claudia also had a thread in which Claudia was aged up and *ahem* had some private time with a Louis (merciful-death) if u need some tasteful au smut ;]
I just thought of something painful involving Prince Lestat.
So he had his father’s old castle refurbished…imagine one day he gets a call from the people who were adding some modern plumbing, and electrical lines, digging around parts of the property and they came across a collection of bones.
They’re too close together to be an old cemetery, even a private one—besides, there’s still some old mossy headstones with barely legible carvings of “Lioncourt” on them in the village nearby, signaling that even the lords were buried in it. No, no, this speaks more of a post-battle burial, hasty, but there’s no metal, no remains of anything of value, and digging farther down, pulling out and separating the fragile old bones and eventually finding ones belonging to children.
“French Revolution, probably,” says the man on the phone, “Funny to think it, they might even be some ancestors of yours,”
Much to the chagrin of the Vatican: We possess the alleged Veronica’s Veil.
A rather priceless item in terms of its value, if indeed there proves to be any true authenticity to it. Verification will provide evidence to the existence of several entities all at once. We could hardly resist laying hands upon it. Otherwise, it might end up with all the other religious relics that the Vatican has locked away.
ikr?? Thank u! Just look at his face! that little twinkle of expectant hope in his eye! ;A;
So many thoughts on this one TEENSY ACTING MOMENT… feels like so much is conveyed in like 4 seconds. Mostly it’s someone who loves too much but can’t be open with the object of his affection, he’s holding back these secrets that even if he were allowed to tell him (which he is not bc Marius threatened such intense retribution) would probably end up driving Louis away, if not crazy.
The “Don’t Fucking Cry” sentiment is smtg I got from Tony Stark, though. liquorandptsdvarietyshow is the one who enlightened me on the striking comparison that can be made of Lestat and Tony, and even Tony/Steve and Lestat/Louis. Not going to go into a lot of detail here on that. Maybe another time.
I definitely think Lestat would understand the whole “Stark men are made of Iron, and don’t show weakness, GRRRR” thing. He doesn’t particularly identify it as a de Lioncourt men trait, but he is a consummate actor, and he has built a beautiful shell to protect himself from the onslaught of shit happening some of which he brings on himself, of course, in the pursuit of doing good.
Deep down they both want to be loved and give love in return, and they struggle to make and maintain those connections while still wearing a suit, whether it’s made of iron or emotional barriers ;A;
Killing isn’t always enjoyable, you understand. It depends on who I’m dealing with. If it’s someone younger and already in a rather large amount of pain, I’m putting them out of their misery. I make it fast and quick. Minimal pain.
However, for the older ones that have done something unspeakable, I like to make their death last a little longer. Maximum suffering.
I-want-my-IWTV 