I don’t remember Armand’s birthday ever being mentioned in the books. Did Anne Rice ever mention it, or did you choose it? If so, was there a reason you chose November 11?

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[I read the books when I was 15/16, meaning that it’s been almost 4 years. I’m rereading Vampire Armand again for rping purposes and past the middle it hasn’t been mentioned yet. However, this is the date I got from more than one wiki page and since I didn’t have a specific date in mind I decided to stick with it. Anne Rice might have mentioned it in an interview, perhaps? I’m afraid I won’t be able to assure you that.

//The really weird thing is that I have Armand’s birthday as November 11th too, and I HAVE NO IDEA WHY. I guess it was from the same online page you looked at, but I really can’t remember what it was or when it was… or anything.

//I wonder if comes from the official calendar? Which was released god only remembers when but it listed a lot of their birthdays (I don’t think Daniel was included). A lot people were like “UGH NO DISAGREE” but it exists somewhere, so maybe this is where people are getting that date? 

//there’s a calendar?! Also wow I’ve headcanoned that he was born in November for like ages but only because I thought he should be Scorpio >>. Nov 11th headcanon accepted. 😀

I like that it’s a few days after Lestat’s. Just ONE MORE WAY Lestat steals the spotlight from Armand… just by existing.

Hello! I was wondering, since you’re a VC fandom veteran, do you have any idea why old fanfic writers had a tendency to write Marius as a villain in their stories? I came across many old fics that portrayed him as insanely controlling and abusive to other characters, and I know he’s no saint but he’s a lot more ethical than a lot of others, so I was wondering, was there a time when the fans expressed so much vitriol towards him?

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vagabonddaniel:

coldinhumanity:

i-want-my-iwtv:

Ah, hmmmmmm…. I don’t remember that specifically, and I’m feeling like I should know that… 

^Lee Pace as Marius bc of reasons. 

… but I can surmise that since he was the only authority figure anyone paid respect to for awhile, that would naturally lead to them speculating on him abusing such status. 

Which he did, somewhat, with Armand, when he took him in. I haven’t personally dissected that ship too thoroughly, so I wouldn’t know. 

I’ll open this up to the group: Anyone out there have an answer for this anon?

//Haven’t been around long enough to know (only got into the fandom in 2005), but I would guess it’s just what you said.. that maybe his and Armand’s relationship as it came through in TVA and B&G was a negative surprise to people? Especially compared to how favourably he’s portrayed in say TVL/QotD.

ooc: I think it’s partially the later stuff with TVA and B&G, where he comes off as a not-so-nice guy. But back when there were only three books, Marius was the authority figure trying to implement rules for the vampires, so he was an obvious antagonist for The Brat Prince, resident rule-breaker. 

I read the books when I was 13 and was like, “wee everyone is hot” but then I reread them at 27 with more scrutiny and formed some vastly different opinions on characters. I realized I didn’t like Marius at all LMAO it’s just because he’s got a personality I’m not fond of in a man. 

So I imagine people might have been “eh *grunts & hand waves*” on Marius and that somehow designated him the one to make the villain when it suited. Fandom is not known for having impartial views on anything – now or back then.

^All good reasons, TVA and B&G would have had a big impact on fandom’s perception of Marius.

Later-canon Marius is very… um… he seems to have misplaced some of his marbles.  

#marius I leave u alone with my mortal luvvies for 5 DAMN SECONDS WTF

I don’t recall any specific fic where Marius was controlling or abusive though once TVA came out people began to think of him in less of a positive light partly because of  Armand’s specific reveals about him and also because he went against his own advice regarding making a vampire of a child (Armand was 17 which was perhaps why he admonished Lestat against such an action, but then how to explain Benji? Benji was made strong, to be sure, because, well, Marius—but he was still very young and Sybele was more than a little addled, so turning her was risky. It was around that time where people began writing more fic examining his darker side.

//Dear future me,

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Dear Future Daniel,

I hope you’re alive and well. Actually, undead and well, but you know what I fucking mean. I hope you’re keeping the shadows at bay and the impulse to drown in your madness in check. Remember that no matter how dark and cold the world gets, you can endure. Darkness and cold are your companions in immortality even when nothing else is. But the madness, however inviting or enticing, is not your friend. 

And since I’m being extremely fucking optimistic, I hope you’re learning to forgive him more quickly. To stop clinging your stubbornness and pick up the goddamn phone. Or hell, make the trip. Make him face you and see if he can hold onto the anger when you’re right in front of him. (Spoiler alert: he can’t.) 

Whatever the future holds, don’t extinguish your burning need to learn, to explore, to study, to ask, to know. That is what will get you through the centuries. Well, that and him. So cut him a little fucking slack and learn to say I’m sorry more often. And while you’re at it, cut yourself a little slack, too. 

What are Daniel’s and Armand’s orders at Starbucks?

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I usually order americanos, because I like the strong scent of coffee. I can’t taste it ever again but the aroma is enough to bring back memories. Armand will order anything in a hot cup, so people can’t see how much he hasn’t drunk while we sit there for hours playing card games or watching people walk by. Sometimes he orders their weirder concoctions just to poke at them and see what they look and smell like. Last time we were there, he ordered peppermint mochca. 

He also insists on doing the ordering after the time I told them his name was Lestat and a goth guy said, “Little short for the vampire Lestat, aren’t you?” I think he was flirting but Armand nearly threw the coffee in his face. 

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Hello! I was wondering, since you’re a VC fandom veteran, do you have any idea why old fanfic writers had a tendency to write Marius as a villain in their stories? I came across many old fics that portrayed him as insanely controlling and abusive to other characters, and I know he’s no saint but he’s a lot more ethical than a lot of others, so I was wondering, was there a time when the fans expressed so much vitriol towards him?

remarried:

vagabonddaniel:

coldinhumanity:

i-want-my-iwtv:

Ah, hmmmmmm…. I don’t remember that specifically, and I’m feeling like I should know that… 

^Lee Pace as Marius bc of reasons. 

… but I can surmise that since he was the only authority figure anyone paid respect to for awhile, that would naturally lead to them speculating on him abusing such status. 

Which he did, somewhat, with Armand, when he took him in. I haven’t personally dissected that ship too thoroughly, so I wouldn’t know. 

I’ll open this up to the group: Anyone out there have an answer for this anon?

//Haven’t been around long enough to know (only got into the fandom in 2005), but I would guess it’s just what you said.. that maybe his and Armand’s relationship as it came through in TVA and B&G was a negative surprise to people? Especially compared to how favourably he’s portrayed in say TVL/QotD.

ooc: I think it’s partially the later stuff with TVA and B&G, where he comes off as a not-so-nice guy. But back when there were only three books, Marius was the authority figure trying to implement rules for the vampires, so he was an obvious antagonist for The Brat Prince, resident rule-breaker. 

I read the books when I was 13 and was like, “wee everyone is hot” but then I reread them at 27 with more scrutiny and formed some vastly different opinions on characters. I realized I didn’t like Marius at all LMAO it’s just because he’s got a personality I’m not fond of in a man. 

So I imagine people might have been “eh *grunts & hand waves*” on Marius and that somehow designated him the one to make the villain when it suited. Fandom is not known for having impartial views on anything – now or back then.

^All good reasons, TVA and B&G would have had a big impact on fandom’s perception of Marius.

Later-canon Marius is very… um… he seems to have misplaced some of his marbles.  

#marius I leave u alone with my mortal luvvies for 5 DAMN SECONDS WTF

So then.. Vampires can experience sexual actions? I’ve always been confused about that part. Vampires can’t have children but can they still have sex? And feel the same way as humans?

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vagabonddaniel:

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//Okay, this needs to be answered OOC, because my Lestat would have to answer with my personal headcanon, b/c I think Mater is full of shit. 

According to canon and Anne/Mater, her vampires do not experience sexual pleasure with their genitals. In QotD, Lestat calls his cock useless, claiming that it can no longer do what it was intended to, or some shit like that (I have a migraine and I’m not looking it up, but I’m sure @i-want-my-iwtv could give you the precise quote because she’s amazing). 

Anne of course (typically) reneges on this when she wrote PL, creates a bunch of faulty science bullshit so that Lestat can jizz for science and create Viktor. 

In fanon, it’s generally accepted that, yes, the vampires can have sex. There is some variation on this depending on what fic you are reading or who you are RPing with–but it’s generally agreed upon that vampire sex is 100% about the blood and sensuality, and that, even if they aren’t going to orgasm in the traditional sense, they are still going to get something pretty intense out of the entire situation. 

There are some pretty amazing fics out there that make sense of all this, but since Vampire Chronicles fan fiction doesn’t technically exist, I can’t help you find them. 

For my purposes, sure, Lestat has sex. Plenty of it. And it’s primarily about the blood. But there is also fun to be had with their bodies, and that’s more fun to write anyway, so there you have it. 

ooc: ALL OF THIS. Also like… you can’t tell me that vampire sensation is 10x that of a human and expect me to believe that sensual touch does nothing for them. Maybe they can’t reach climax but that’s what the blood is for. Doesn’t mean sexual acts don’t work as amazing foreplay. 

ooc: I’ve written about this before at some point I believe, but that’s very much my take on it too. Especially this: ‘you can’t tell me that vampire sensation is 10x that of a human and expect me to believe that sensual touch does nothing for them’

Hell yeah.

^Basically agreed with all 3 ppl here. Respect #Your headcanon may vary on this topic.

Canon doesn’t directly take on whether their dicks even work until the 3rd book,  when Lestat says:

“I studied my reflection … and the organ, the organ we don’t need, poised as if ready for what it would never again know how to do or want to do, marble, a Priapus at a gate” – Lestat, Queen of the Damned

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So I’ve discussed this topic at length in my tags for it: #asexuality, #asexual, #sex, #sexuality, #lets talk about sex. So check those out for more discussion on it. Ricean vampires still do feel sexual lust, it’s channeled through the experience of taking/sharing blood, and other sensually physical things.

In fanon there is a wide spectrum of whether they can have penetrative sex, some even speculate that their um… output… would be very bloody.

TL;DR: It all depends on your idea of what sex is. There are human couples who are unable (or do not want) to experience penetrative sex, and they can still be intimate with each other in other ways.

Claudia asks Louis about sex in IWTV, and he replies that it “‘…was something hurried…And… it was seldom savored… something acute that was quickly lost. I think that it was the pale shadow of killing.’”

He could have been lying a little to downplay it, so that she wouldn’t feel as bad for missing out on smtg she would never be able to experience, or maybe bc he truly felt that the experience of killing supercedes mortal intercourse. We don’t know bc #unreliable narrator


ALL THAT SAID, if you prefer to take AR’s word as the gospel for canon, she has been definitive about it:

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I think that reproductive obstacle (vampires are undead, they cannot carry a growing baby inside of dead flesh) is why Anne Rice made the choice that they could BE sexual, but not in a reproductive way.

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in the early years, armand questions daniel ceaselessly about where he goes and what he does. daniel has had enough. 

alt caption: pornography with the vampire.

//well that’s it I’m dead. Those two arts killed me. I have expired. See u in hell guys

Armand is totally judging those actors: “You know, Daniel, I was the director of a theatre -”

“I know,”

“I have vast experience in actor’s performances-”

“I KNOW!”

“- and this acting is terrible, Daniel. Terrible.”

“…" 

ooc: I just love how totally unsexy watching it with Armand would be.

“I don’t understand why this titillates you. Is it merely watching the act or is there something about these people?” Squints. “Their clothes?” 

“Yes, Armand, I’m turned on by pizza delivery uniforms.”

“That explains the empty boxes in every motel room.” 

Daniel side-eyes him. “Did you just make a joke?” 

“Why is she mentioning her husband? That seems like an inefficient way to seduce a man.” 

Daniel rolls his eyes. “The threat of discovery is exciting.” 

“Why is he still holding the pizza? Surely if she’s felatting him, he can put it down–” 

Daniel clicks off the television. “You know what. I’m going to go get more beer.” Looks back down at the VCR. “Maybe some whiskey.” 

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Maybe my worst sin: I fell in love with a murderous monster. Sometimes I could taste his victims’ blood on his lips when we kissed. I could smell them–their sweat, their cigarettes, their godawful perfumes and colognes–lingering on the clothes he stole from their still-warm bodies. And instead of pulling away from this vile, murderous creature, I pushed closer. Caressed his shoulders beneath their shirts, kissed his mouth that still burned with their life. I saw a great evil and instead of running away, I crawled inside of it. 

It’s fine if you don’t like romantic and sexual relationships in fandoms but there’s no need to blast others for having them.

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ooc: But… But I do like romantic and sexual relationships in fandoms. I usually write Armand/Daniel as romantic and sexual. I have many other ships that I love reading or writing in romantic and sexual ways. I have nothing against them at all. I certainly didn’t “blast” anyone for having them or liking them. I merely suggested that people stop holding up romance/sexual encounters over everything else as if they are the only sorts of relationships or encounters that matter.

Romance is important. But not important to all people because some people are aromantic. Sexual relationships are important to a lot of people. But not to all people because some people are asexual and some fall somewhere on the gray-ace scale. (And that doesn’t mean an aromantic asexual can’t enjoy reading or writing those things, as well. Just that romance and sex aren’t a priority for everyone.)

Fandom tends to put romantic ships on pedestal above all others. Probably because fandom on tumblr especially is obsessed with Shipping. People Ship It and if you don’t Ship It, you’re a “hater.” But not everything has to be a romantic ship. 

Fandom also tends to take non-romantic and non-sexual canon relationships and turn them into something romantic, and that’s awesome. Fandom is all about taking canon and exploring all of its possibilities. If people want to write Jace Wayland and Simon Lewis as romantic, well, show me the slash fic! I am there. But I don’t want people holding up Jace/Simon as though it’s better as a romantic ship than a bromance or friendship, because platonic friendships and familial relationships and non-romantic love are important, too. And while it’s fun to read and write smut and sexytimes and UST and all forms of sexual tension, it’s also fun to explore other aspects and dynamics and levels of love/friendship/frenemies beyond messing up the sheets. 

That’s all I was saying. 

^Beautifully answered.