I spent awhile looking at pics and gifs of Alex Saxon, I’d never heard of him before, I don’t watch The Fosters, which I think most of the below gifs are from… and actually I think he’s more like my headcanon for Lestat than Louis, but either way, very cute! He has a real sweetness about him.
But to talk about the hair, bc I’m fixated on that…
^Nice volume and waves going on, nice generous mouth and smile…
^Good manbun, I think it would be better if it was higher up but still, works for me!
^really nice duck grease, which is my word for that kind of grease some ppl seem to produce (probably it’s product applied but sometimes it’s natural), that gives their hair a “piecey” or “feathered” kinda look.
^I just like this gif, nice face-framing pieces, and lower hair curlier/wavier than the top/crown areas.
I had to think about this one for awhile, bc my immediate reaction was to defend Louis and say: “Oh no, our sweet bb Louis wouldn’t kill a child! Nor a preteen or teens! He may not choose guilty from innocent but surely a teen and under would be safe from him??!”
But he’s NOT a sweet bb. He’s a vampire.
Louis killed Claudia, or attempted to do so. More on that in a bit. The only further explicit reference we have re: his killing methods in canon is in QOTD, when Akasha states that he kills “without regard for age or sex or will to live.“ and since she can read his mind and Louis does not correct her on that statement, I would assume that she’s pinned him accurately.**
(**Note 1: in the scene at the end of book!IWTV (which we still don’t know if it actually happened or not, bc unreliable narrators), Louis takes a baby that a young vampire brings to feed to Lestat, and returns it to its home: “I returned to the small house from which the vampire had taken the child, and left it there in its crib.” So maybe BABIES are safe from Louis!)
(**Note 2: Louis accepts the offer of taking a bite of Denis, Armand’s mortal preteen/teen pet at the Theatre des Vampires, not knowing if Armand intended him to kill this offering or not, but in the book, Louis takes it without any resistance and Armand takes Denis back before Louis can finish him BC HE MIGHT HAVE.)
TL;DR #1: Yes, I do think Louis would kill a lost child/preteen/teen, and I think that the circumstances of such a choice could be worth exploring in fiction.
TL;DR #2: I think it would be unlikely for Louis, on his own, to kill one member of a group of ppl of any age, for the practical difficulty of killing one of them w/o the others noticing and causing a scene. I think this would make his kill more difficult than necessary, as Louis kills perfunctorily, only exerting the amount of time and effort required to satisfy the need:
“I would let the first hours of the evening accumulate in quiet, as hunger accumulated in me, till the drive grew almost too strong, so that I might give myself to it all the more completely, blindly.
“…I lingered only a short while, long enough to take what I must have, soothed in my great melancholy that the town gave me an endless train of magnificent strangers.
“For that was it. I fed on strangers. I drew only close enough to see the pulsing beauty, the unique expression, the new and passionate voice, then killed before those feelings of revulsion could be aroused in me, that fear, that sorrow.” (IWTV)
^If his killing style had changed since then, I think he would have mentioned it to Daniel during the interview.
It also begs the question whether he would kill the elderly, people with disabilities (mental, physical, etc.), and other types of people whose defenses are lowered to some degree, and I think “indiscriminate” applies to all of those categories. Yes to all, Louis kills indiscriminately.
TL;DR #3: Claudia is a child Louis kills (well, attempts to kill) in canon, and her similarity to Anne Rice’s daughter (who died at the age Claudia was turned) was very likely the reason for Anne writing IWTV in the first place. Through the characters in IWTV, I think Anne asked the questions to get the answers to exorcise her demons regarding that loss. Fiction is a safe ground from which we can examine and lance the pain we have experienced in real life and release it, and in sharing the story, we might give others a catharsis, too. I think this novel’s rich exploration of these difficult issues is part of what has made it so beloved by her readers, we can relate deeply with her story in our own ways and feel a catharsis from her explorations.
There are parents who outlive their children bc of these early-childhood diseases (and other reasons) and they have to find a way to go on living, and even trying to be happy again. I’m sure Anne will always experience pain from this loss, but through fiction, she may have been able to achieve enough closure to go on living her life.
I think Anne’s answer for herself at the end of writing IWTV was, “Neither you nor your daughter, nor anyone else, were being punished. Michele was in the wrong place at the wrong time.”
Hit the jump for more, cut for length.
1. “So if a lost child happens to cross his path would he kill them?”
A) I think that Louis feels like he, personally, shouldn’t judge who should die, and that therefore ppl who cross his path of any age are fair game. Louis was very Savage Garden about it before he was aware of the concept. In the Savage Garden, tigers can’t really be held responsible for killing the young, infirm, or elderly of their prey. Vampires are not human, even though they were once human, and some seem very human still… some of them hold themselves to human laws and morality about killing, but some of them do not.
B) If a child is lost at night without a parent or guardian, if the child was as abandoned as Claudia was, I think Louis would probably still kill them. It could be considered a case of the child being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
After all, it would fall under the Savage Garden concept, they’re at risk of more than just being Louis’ dinner. Louis is just another risk out there, maybe scarier because you might be able to reason with him where you can’t with, for example, a virus or a tiger.
C) is for CLAUDIA: While it’s true that Claudia didn’t exactly “cross his path,”
Louis was drawn to her cries and she was a lost child, abandoned by her parents. Her father had left, her mother was dead, and she was defenseless. Claudia might have already been sick with the plague, or might have died from starvation.
One could argue that Louis killing her was more merciful than the slow death she might have suffered if no one had found her ;A; There are situations where death is more preferable to suffering. We don’t know whether she could have been saved from death if brought to the hospital in time; even a hospital and the best medical care is not a guarantee that a life will be saved.
Louis was filled with guilt and shame when Lestat found him with Claudia, and I do think that Lestat turned Claudia to take that guilt from Louis. At that time, this was Louis’ first human kill in years, and Louis might have committed suicide for the guilt of having killed an innocent child if Lestat hadn’t “given her another life.”
2) So if a bunch of punk preteens or teens
happen to cross his path
would he kill them?
As far as “a bunch of punk preteens or teens,” Louis still would not judge them, even though society tends to think less of “punks” for disrupting the peace, vandalizing property, or otherwise purposely causing trouble. So I don’t think they would be targets for Louis specifically because of their “punk” label.
Louis would
probably not be interested in a group of any type or age (even a group of violent middle-aged bikers would be safe!); as it would be difficult to kill one of them in the presence of the others without creating trouble. He goes for people who are out on their own. I don’t think he’d want to go to the effort of coercing one away from the pack.
It’s not canon but I would think Louis can share kills with other vampires now, and he would be able to do so more stealthily with another vampire or two with him, if they wanted to take down more than one victim together, any age.
3) Re: Claudia being Michele Rice: I think that Louis’ attempted killing of Claudia is the major impetus behind IWTV being written in the first place.Anne Rice lost her own daughter at the age Claudia is turned, and Anne was going through the pain of that loss, asking why it happened to her daughter. Had Anne been an irresponsible mother? Was it God’s punishment for Anne (and/or her family) failing to be a devout enough Christian? Was her daughter being punished for some crime?
Was it Satan?? Was it a case of a bad thing happening to a good person?
To my mind, IWTV’s real cornerstone, on which the rest of the story was built around, Anne Rice created muses through which she could ask these questions and try to get the answers.
Anne said she modeled Louis after herself, but he also represented Death. Anne wanted these answers:
Why did Claudia die?! Bc Louis killed her.
Who’s this Louis monster and why did he have to kill her?! Well, he’s a vampire, that’s what they do.
Ok… But why did Louis have to kill an innocent childspecifically?Bc he was a vampire who had been sustaining himself on animal blood for years. and he was in a state of malnutrition and extreme desperation, and this child was nearby and defenseless. She had done nothing wrong.
Also, Louis felt terrible for this, even though he admits to Daniel that the act itself (as all blood drinking is to vampires) was pleasurable. Louis does not bring it up to Claudia herself until she began to rebel and demand answers.
So I think Louis battling with his religious upbringing, whether he was from the Devil, and having so much guilt about killing all victims (especially Claudia!) was a release for Anne, bc she could empathize with the entity she created who killed her child.
If the murderer himself felt guilt over it, that may have helped Anne achieve some measure of peace.
♛He doesn’t scare as easily now as he once did, that’s for sure. It takes serious planning, so I would say 3. If I have someone in league with me I have more of a chance at it, as he’s less suspicious of others, so maybe a 4.
//ooc: the mun struggled with this, bc it is something Lestat has done, and frightening Louis can be comical in canon! So one would think it would be easy to come up with a humorous answer, but it sat for a month in my inbox bc I’m torn on it… Yes, it can be comical, but currently, I don’t think Lestat likes to frighten Louis purposely, I feel like they have reached a kind of mutual respect that wasn’t there in early canon. In earlier canon, I think that some of Lestat’s frightening Louis was about asserting dominance, or he was exasperated from every other attempt to get Louis on board with whatever he wanted.
So while I don’t think Lestat intentionally tries to frighten Louis these days, it’s more like when he suggests some wild or
dangerous
trip or activity that’s ignited his imagination, Lestat really just wants Louis to validate him, go along with him, and be part of it. Louis knows not to underestimate what can happen but he also doesn’t leap to conclusions, he sits at his desk and thinks about it before reacting, if he feels fear, he doesn’t immediately show it.
When Lestat has moments of crippling stillness, which I think he still gets now and then, that’s frightening because Louis can’t always draw him out of it, and he worries that Lestat may slip into that state for nights/months/years ;A; Louis can also be frightened by Lestat’s rage at Louis or others, bc Louis knows that Lestat is capable of enormous destruction, and he has a short fuse. I don’t think that Lestat would be all that comfortable talking about any of that.
I think Louis is too calm and collected these days to be easily frightened by Lestat or anyone else when it comes to pranks. I think the news, the current state of the world, is upsetting and frightening to him. I think Louis was very afraid of Akasha and her plan, but he was still able to speak up in front of her and risk her wrath.
♛I hadn’t heard of him before your mentioning him to me, I must say… while I don’t eat meat this man is making me salivate for it. His knifework is very impressive.
♛Minnesota, hm? We do travel to places to ski and romp in the piles of white stuff that we wouldn’t get in New Orleans. Might have to go there next…
We love lounging in a cozy cabin to watch the snow fall outside the windows… nothing quite like the inner peace and contemplation snowfall can bring.
Yes, we love snow. Most of us aren’t bothered by the cold. Louis is, and he will allow me to bundle him in enough layers so he can ski with us, or build snowmen and igloos. However, when he’s warm enough from a fresh kill, he just might strip off enough layers to regain flexibility of movement, he is a masterful snowball assassin, slinking around the forest like a ninja!
I call Armand “Panchino” sometimes and he doesn’t know why…
Yes, I obvs enjoy our faction of the VC fandom here too! We’re all excited/ nervous/other… some ppl have nope’d out entirely, it’s a big mix *hugs*
Casting Claudia will probably not be an issue if they start with TVL, bc Claudia’s only in IWTV, and just mentioned in later books. It seems like AR really loves movie!IWTV, so I doubt she would redo that book.
But… let’s cast an actress as Lestat’s little sister for TVL, the 8th de Lioncourt child, and then have her play Claudia, too! The resemblance would be so heartbreaking! ;A;
For funsies tho, I must inform you… awhile back, @hyperbeeb suggested Mia Talerico [X], who just turned 9 on 9/17, and I have to agree!
[^She’s the kid from the “confused baby” meme!]
Mia’s had a long career already (IMDB says she was eleven months old when she started filming Good Luck Charlie, so that’s 7 yrs of acting, being directed, being comfortable in front of the cameras, etc.). I Perusing through gifs of her (thank u @child-actor-gifs!), I think she’s got what it takes. Physically, who can deny that she’s super cute, w/ doll-like features as described in the books, fiercely intelligent, adorable smile, and naturally blonde already (so we can save a few $$ on hair dye!).
^Here she is a little older. She almost looks like she plotting here… Look what she’s doing with her hands, conscious acting choice? I think so. Imagine she’s crushing a (breakable prop) porcelain doll’s face into shards instead! Yissss…
^Perfect disingenuous apology, very Claudia.
^”I want more…” hugs? Sure you do.
^So yeah let’s hurl her at AR!
(ノ^ヮ^)ノ*:・゚✧
I think we could also find a great child actress on Insta or YT, some fresh kid whose experience comes from making short vids under adult supervision so they are already accustomed to taking some direction bc kids are notoriously difficult to direct. I love Katie Ryan on Insta (@katieryan430) … It’s frickin’ BATS.
IIRC, there was alot of difficulty finding a 5 yo talented enough to play Claudia in movie!IWTV. Kirsten Dunst was the first they auditioned of one hundred actresses, varying in amount of experience, from around ages 5-12. The 5 yr olds struggled with the intensity that the part required… so I wouldn’t mind if they aged her up to 10 or 11. If they cast a 5 yo who looks perfect but can’t act like the frustrated adult inside, it won’t really work.
If Claudia’s in the new adaptations at all, I think it will be as a ghost (in later books, she sort of haunts the Rue Royale, Louis, and Lestat), which could also be animated and voice acted by an adult.
[X] Possibly a teensy ref to Lestat’s fur-lined cloak in TVL? Not fluffy enough to be wolf, but hopefully fake fur for the movie.
This is the image you referred to (it appears that he’s wearing the same coat with jacket underneath as in the screencap above):
I don’t know of any cemeteries that have multiple levels like that, what is that, stadium seating?, definitely not in NOLA (at least one of the cemeteries in NOLA is that crowded tho). There is a scene in one version of the script (thanks @thesaramonster!) that mentions a graveyard in Transylvania of course, when Claudia and Louis are on their own, searching for other vampires:
MONTAGE OF SKETCHES
A TRANSLYVANIAN VILLAGE, A GRAVEYARD.
RUINED CASTLE AFTER CASTLE, LOOKING INTO THE SKIES…
LOUIS The quest for these Old World vampires filled me with bitterness. We searched village after village, ruin after ruin and I was glad when always we found nothing. For what could the damned really have to say to the damned?
^So I don’t think Neil Jordan tried to include the scene in the book where they find and kill a zombpire, but that production still might have been sort of a reference to it.
But it’s especially sad that Louis still has that coat after Claudia’s been killed ;A;
Can you imagine how painful it would have been, returning to the hotel room he shared with Claudia, all her clothes and accessories exactly as they were when she left it last? ;A;
This year, however, Lestat and Louis failed to leave on time to meet up w/ the coven in Florida and they landed on a beach in Delaware, made passionate love under the boardwalk as fireworks went off. After that they walked up to the water’s edge, wrapped up together in a big cheap beach towel they’d found under the boardwalk bc their clothes were bloody and shredded to bits! No surprise there.
They watched the kids darting around and Louis was, as always, intrigued by the sparklers waving swoops and shapes of fractured light. One little girl approached them to compliment their Frozen towel and handed Louis a sparkler. He was very touched and forgot all about the gritty sand sticking to the blood across his chest and backside (under the towel, fortunately!).
Lestat watched the light of the sparkler reflected in Louis’ eyes, and for a moment, it was as if they were both just mortal boys, delighted by and in awe of this simple magic as Louis drew heart shapes, circles, and infinity loops against the darkness.
(Answering as myself, I wouldn’t want to diminish the reality of this in the slightest by responding w/ a fictional character)
What happened in Orlando, the massacre and maiming of innocent people was horrible and tragic. I won’t post a pic of Lestat going “WTF” bc it is too awful for a simple “WTF,” there is no “WTF” statement powerful enough.
This is the program: supporting our LGBT+ community as equals. Anyone who refuses to get with the program is invited to leave the country. Murder is not the answer and it won’t stop the evolution.
[Flag by @fulifuli, plz reblog it from them if u like it!]
I’ve seen a number of great links/posts about this
(though I don’t know about their factual accuracy), here are a few, collecting them here, rather than reblogging each one bc this is still primarily a fandom blog.
“If someone thinks that peace and love are just a cliche that must have been left behind in the ‘60s, that’s a problem. Peace and love are eternal.” – John Lennon
One of the reasons I try to keep this blog focused on fandom is to provide an escape from reality; one of the ways to cope with tragedy is to visit fiction, and feel recharged enough to come back and face reality freshly. Some people are strong enough to fight that fight without needing a break from it, and I applaud them for that durability.
No matter what you contribute, even if it’s in a small way, sending prayers or kind thoughts, donating blood or money or time, cheering someone up; or on a larger social scale, organizing groups of people to work on gun control legislation and try to make this a safer and more peaceful world to live in, it’s all cumulative and it all matters. I do my little part. I don’t have enough money to give significantly but I reach out when I can. I’m an ordained priest, I would love to exercise that power for the LGBT+ community!
I’m numb from this happening again and again and again, but I think the world is evolving, day by day, and year by year. I’ve witnessed homophobia decrease dramatically in the past 20 years, from the word “gay” being something you could barely whisper about to it being part of a larger community in which huge groups of people have parades! In high school, my friend came out to me first, when we were both 15, it was before school started up again. She said she understood if I didn’t want to be friends with her anymore since it could mean losing all the others, but I didn’t hesitate to tell her I would stay with her. I did lose other friends but they weren’t people I would want in my life anymore, knowing that they were homophobic. And I feel the same way about it today, more than ever.