So I’m confused, was Louis weak because Lestat made him that way on purpose? Or was he weak because he was Lestat’s third fledgling in a decade? Wouldn’t he be stronger because Lestat had Akasha’s blood in him? I know Louis refused to drink from Lestat, was he ultimately weak because he chose to be?

As always, #Your Headcanon May Vary, these are just my own opinions, and I am SURE other ppl have other excellent answers for this. 

I’m focusing on Louis’s strength at turning and the first few years after, since he does grow more powerful over time on his own (and he also gets *~upgraded~* later in canon, idk whether you accept later canon but it happens!).

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TL;DR: I don’t think Lestat purposely made Louis weak, it was a combination of factors, but mostly that the procedure isn’t an exact science*, Lestat was a young maker and turned Louis too soon after making two fledglings before, and the fact that Louis was malnourished** (refusal to kill ppl) for those first few years might have been a contributing factor.

**So Lestat does talk about Louis being weak in IWTV, but not that he purposely made him that way, just that he allowed it to go uncorrected; he didn’t force Louis to kill ppl, or force Louis to embrace his vampiric gifts and learn how to use them:

“Lestat looked at me. ‘I expected you to feel these things
instinctually, as I did,’ he said. When I gave you that first kill, I
thought you would hunger for the next and the next, that you would
go to each human life as if to a full cup, the way I had. But you didn’t.
And all this time I suppose I kept from straightening you out because
you were best weaker.
I’d watch you playing shadow in the night,
staring at the falling rain, and I’d think, He’s easy to manage, he’s
simple. But you’re weak, Louis. You’re a mark.
For vampires and
now for humans alike. This thing with Babette has exposed us both.
It’s as if you want us both to be destroyed.‘”

^Lestat is saying Louis is weak by choice, and he’s describing weakness of character more than physical strength, so I believe he was physically weak bc of the Dark Gift. The Dark Gift is not an exact science*, despite all good/bad intentions, it’s the vampiric form of pregnancy. But there are things about the procedure that can affect the strength of the fledgling: 

  • Whether the blood is transferred once (for Louis) or multiple times (for Marius) between maker and fledgling – Multiple times seems to make a stronger fledgling. Why didn’t Lestat do it multiple times for Louis? I think Louis was already in such bad physical shape that Lestat didn’t want to risk it. Plus, he had already turned 2 fledglings using the single transfer procedure, he probably felt like that was good enough.
  • Age, power, and timing of making previous fledglings of the maker –  it seems like power is outweighed by the other two factors.
  • The fledgling’s diet after turning – Louis was feeding on animals for the first 4-ish years of vampiring, which is like bad junk food, and probably not drinking

    the volume of blood he needed, either. 

Yes, post-QOTD (and pre-Merrick), Louis refused to drink Lestat’s blood. I headcanon that that felt like a rejection of Lestat bc blood-sharing is a major expression of intimacy for vampires. He might have refused it bc he saw how it had changed Lestat and he didn’t want that to happen to himself, but I think he also wanted to preserve his own vulnerability, in case he wanted to suicide ;A; 

Hit the jump for more, cut for length.


“So I’m confused, was Louis weak because Lestat made him that way on purpose?” 

I don’t think it was on purpose. It’s not an exact science* and Lestat had only done it 2x, had only heard about the procedure from Armand and Marius. There is some speculation that the blood transfer needs to be exchanged more than once to ensure a stronger fledgling. Marius, for example, exchanged blood with his maker multiple times when he was turned, but with Louis, Lestat only did it once. I think that’s because Louis was so weakened by the bloodletting he’d been forced to undergo (”When
I was subdued finally, and exhausted then almost to the point of death,
they bled me. The fools.”
) that Lestat didn’t want to risk exchanging more than once? Idk.

Also, Louis was feeding on animals for the first 4-ish years of vampiring, and that’s like bad junk food. He was probably not even drinking the volume of blood he needed, either. That might have had an impact on his strength. It probably contributed to his attitude at the time, being underfed and undernourished for so long ;A;

“Or was he weak because he was Lestat’s third fledgling in a decade?” 

This is probably more of the reason. As Marius tells Lestat in TVL:

“Well, for one thing, ” he said, “your powers are extraordinary, but
you can’t expect those you make in the next fifty years to equal you or
Gabrielle.
Your second child didn’t have half Gabrielle’s strength and
later children will have even less. The blood I gave you will make some difference. If you drink… if you drink from Akasha and Enkil,
which you may choose not to do… that will make some difference
too. But no matter, only so many children can be made by one in a
century.
And new offspring will be weak. However, this is not
necessarily a bad thing. The rule of the old covens had wisdom in it
that strength should come with time.
And then again, there is the old
truth: you might make titans or imbeciles, no one knows why or how.

In Ricean vampire physiology, a maker needs to wait a good long while between making fledglings; too much frequency will make subsequent fledglings weaker than they could have been. Plus, even though Lestat had the blood of a much older and stronger vampire when he was turned (Magnus), Lestat himself was only a decade into vampiring himself. It seems the vampiric spirit discourages the transfer of powers from young vampires to their fledglings. If anyone got the bulk of that power, it was Gabrielle, Lestat’s first.

“Wouldn’t he be stronger because Lestat had Akasha’s blood in him?”

Marius said that that would make “some difference” but I think the fact that Lestat had already turned 2 vampires, and was young still himself, prevented that power from being transferred.

“I know Louis refused to drink from Lestat, was he ultimately weak because he chose to be?” 

He was weak by vampire standards at first, and yes, I think he chose to remain that way. But he’s still stronger and faster than a mortal. He’s also able to defend himself and kick a lot of ass. What he lacks physically he makes up for mentally, he’s strategic in the way he attacks when he does attack, and he can hold his own against much stronger and older vampires (he took out most of the Theatre des Vampires on his own in IWTV!).

*Re: the Dark Trick is not an exact science: 

Armand mentions in TVL:

But let Armand understand here also that the effect of the Dark Trick is unpredictable, even when passed on by the very young vampire and with all due care. For reasons no one knows, some mortals when Born to Darkness become as powerful as Titans, others may be no more than corpses that move. That is why mortals must be chosen with skill. Those with great passion and indomitable will should be avoided as well as those who have none.

Do you think that the turning of Louis would have been inevitable even if he had gone to France like his brother wanted? Also, How do you think Louis’ history and personality would have changed with a different sire? Also, Hi :)

Hi, back! *waves*

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[^Mortal Louis opening up his shirt for reasons]

If Louis had gone back to France like his brother wanted, well… who knows what his life would have been like? His brother wanted him to sell “everything we owned, and use
the money to do God’s work in France.”
So, would they move the women into a convent to be nuns; freeing Louis and Paul to become priests or monks? In Paris, or some other part of France? 

If Louis was a priest in Paris, would he have drawn the attention of any of the vampires there? The Theatre des Vampires was set up and had been going for some 10 years by the time Lestat met Louis. Armand was there. If he met Louis as a mortal, would he have been interested in him at all? I don’t know. Part of what drew Armand to Louis was his connection to Lestat. Would Louis still be as appealing without that connection? Would he be appealing as a companion to any other vampires roaming around in France at that time?

Those are all questions to consider. 

I don’t think anyone would have chosen him to vampire, if he were some French priest, probably dissatisfied with his life choices. They might have just killed him for fun, though. The TdV killed innocents and they seemed to really enjoy killing the beautiful ppl, and he still would have been attractive enough for that.


As to Louis having a different maker, that’s why I couldn’t answer this ask sooner. It’s too big a question for me!

Physically, he probably would have been better off. He was Lestat’s 3rd in about a decade (and Lestat himself was still very young!), contributing to his ‘weakness’ as a vampire, and lack of some of the vampiric gifts that others can get when they’re turned.

But I think no matter who turned him, or how strong he was, he would still struggle with the whole killing people issue. Marius might have helped guide him into it more slowly. As problematic as Marius became later, in earlier canon we knew him as a mentor figure, and if he had just been that, with no Amadeo situation, he might have been a good maker for Louis. 

I’ll open it up to everyone else bc it’s just too big a question: Who would have made a better maker for Louis, and why? 

Excuse me Lestat but may I just say that Louis’ green eyes are very beautiful and sexy. It looks like he is staring directly into people’s souls when he’s looking at someone.

♛You may say so. He has no idea how delicious he is. No matter how many times he’s told. Probably for the best. 

He’s actually very sensitive about being objectified like this, so I try to keep my appreciation of him to my physical expression of love, rather than verbal praise *winks* 

What you’re interpreting as his “sexy” eyes, or that he’s capable of looking into people’s souls, that’s usually his ability to spellbind others, and he does it without even consciously trying to do so. It’s not just his physical attributes, it’s one of his vampiric gifts he hasn’t really needed to consciously hone. I wish that he would, though *dreamy sigh*

What happens if you drink from somebody that has anaemia? D:(guilty myself)

♛Guilty of being anaemic? That’s not necessarily under your control. I’m not a doctor, and I don’t study blood like our scientific brethren do… I know what I like to drink, though, and for me, the physicality of the blood is merely the carrier for the moment that I’m locked to my victim, to take what I really require, which is their essence, their soul. I don’t discriminate based on taste; I would just prefer it to be living! (Dead blood is not poisonous, but it’s so so distasteful.)

I’m sure that I have tasted this already, apparently anaemia affects a quarter of the population. One of the causes of it is blood loss, so I’m sure I’ve been the cause of it for some of my Little Drink victims *grins* Oh well…

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Other causes of anaemia are dietery, genetic or infections, and as far as I know, whatever the engine is that makes me what I am defends me perfectly from all of these. I’ve never had an illness in that sense. It’s physical food and drink that I can’t handle, but that just comes back the way it came. Very unattractive when that has happened. I can take little sips of real drinks, yes, but none of it has ever had much taste to me.

I won’t lie, I love trying new flavors of blood, Little Drinks from partygoers, and I have a taste for bourbon by proxy now. Drugs? Not as much, as I’m wary of allowing myself into that far of an altered state of mind. Potheads, yes, when I’m in the mood for a gentle kind of high.

As for your question though, I do notice variation in the taste and texture of different blood types, but I usually don’t know the reason. Something a little flatter about blood with less red blood cells or smaller red blood cells, perhaps the closest comparison would be champagne that has gone a little flat, but all mortal blood is still preferable to animal blood. There’s more in it that we need than the physical substance; we need the soul as well. 

Although I have met many animals with much more soul than some of the evildoers I have to get involved with, human souls are just more nutritious for us, for whatever reason. Even Gabrielle has confessed to me that she ends up needing to hunt indigenous tribes every so often on her travels, to supplement her usual non-human intake.

[send me a tv show/book/fandom and i’ll say the top 5 things i’d change about it] OLLA (it’s a movie but still)! Bwahahaaa… this should be challenging.

annabellioncourt:

oops, I forgot to list movie, that was part of it.

1. Those wigs gotta go. They….kind of….worked for Eve, making her look like an antique doll with dusty, tangled hair; but looked like a dead animal on Adam, 10/10 horrible mess.

2. the zombie references were annoying, it seemed like such a juvenile thing for a 200 year old vampire to say, especially one that supposed to be so intellectual.

3. Ian didn’t have to melt away in the water/acid, the CGI for it wasn’t that great, and it was a bit of gore that was mostly absent from the rest of the film, and it interrupted the flow of an otherwise very consistent style.

4. I liked that vampires could be killed by drinking diseased blood, but it didn’t have to be played out, it could have just been mentioned/referenced. 

5. Tom Hiddleston has the least beleivable vampire smile I’ve ever seen (I have seen a lot) and it ruined an otherwise great closing shot.  I understand that we’ve been prying into their private lives the entire film, and having them come towards the camera like that at the end was almost like saying “we can only learn so much and live,” putting us in the place of their victims: we’ve witnessed it, we can’t be allowed to share this. But…ugh…maybe no fangs? Maybe less snarl? I have no idea how to fix that, but I cringe every time I see it. Tilda’s as awesome though, she makes an exceptionally convincing vampire.

bonus: Adam plays the entire No. 5 instead of just a minute of it becuase that solo….daaaaaaaamn. Also pls fuck the whole MARLOWE IS SHAKESPEARE bullshit with a chainsaw. I love this film enough that I can ignore it, but why. Why.

Send me a book/movie/tv show and I’ll tell you five thing’s I’d change/

#Perfect just perfect! For you, @annabellioncourt since u loved it so much lol…

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[^X by @hiddlescheekbatch]

Lovely Lestat, as you know Daniel’s transition into vampirism hasn’t been graceful. Do you have advice to any young naive mortals before they agree to take their last mortal breath and join you and others in death?

♛Advice to “young naive mortals” before they agree to become one of us… 

*laughs* Well, Louis would simply say, “Don’t.” 

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[^X @phantom-evil]

I can’t speak for Daniel’s transition, but from what he told me, what made it into the record that I compiled as the novel Queen of the Damned… he originally wanted the Dark Gift because he fell in love with Louis’ story, and wanted a seat at our table, so to speak. When he met Armand, it became about wanting to be with Armand, made so much more frustrating because of Armand’s struggle to accept Daniel, whether to bring him over.

Then, when that had been overcome, there was Daniel as a fledgling; there are so many physical and emotional changes that happen to a vampire during that time that few of us really experience it as a very “graceful” time. I famously vomited up my own blood and then, in a state of delirium, licked it off the stone floor of a filthy cell full of rotten corpses! Among many other grotesque things that happened in those first nights.* Two exceptions to the awkward fledgling phase: Gabrielle and Claudia, who both bloomed in their own ways, very gracefully, as fledgling vampiresses.

Advice…

One thing is for sure, satisfaction is not guaranteed, ma petite. In every sense of the phrase. 

The process itself is dangerous. It’s called the Dark “Trick” for a reason. Your maker has to kill you first. It’s extremely erotic, but extremely painful. They have to actually forcibly pull your life away entirely – and you’ll fight them through it if you want to survive – and then feed a demon, a kind of cancer, into your body and soul. We still don’t know if it’s contamination or evolution. And it doesn’t always work. 

There are worse things than death.


//ooc: *@gairid​/@vampchronfic​ has such a beautiful and tragic story about another thing Lestat did in those first nights, that you really should read it, We Are Our Own Saviors (Chapters 15-16). #Damn you and your perfect headcanon perfection ;A;

Lestat continues after the jump, cut for length.


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♛The other aspect of being a vampire: Killing. Few people seem to realize how customer-service oriented this lifestyle really is. You’ll have to kill people, or practice the Little Drink (most fledglings have difficulty stopping mid-kill). If you are able to master it, you’ll spend even more nightly time pursuing more victims than just the few that would satisfy you if you killed them. Killing means you have to find fewer, but still, victims. Louis refused to choose, feeling unworthy of making that choice. Could you do it? Really? Or, you can not choose. As he later was able to embrace. Could you do that?

Louis’ practice of drinking animal blood as a substitute for human blood for his first few years, I’m convinced that’s one of the reasons he was so weak for so long. And so cranky! For whatever reason, animal blood is just not as satisfying for us as human blood is, and I would speculate that it has something to do with the difference in souls. Not to say animal souls are lesser; Mojo had more soul than so many humans I’ve met. But there is a difference. So the animal solution is the vampire equivalent of eating fast food, and it takes its toll. 

Those are the main concerns, that young naive mortals should consider seriously before they agree to become one of us. There are many more, but these seem to be required for everyone. Should you be offered the choice to take the Dark Gift, your maker would be having these conversations with you, specific to you, and to them, about other considerations. 

What would you say the climax of (book) IWTV is?

I hope you’re not the anon with the project for class, asking me to do your homework for you! But I do want to answer this, so you get my opinion, which may not be the actual answer.

I think there’s more than one climax, depending on what your reading of IWTV focuses on. I’m not as religious as some ppl, so I don’t give that theme as much weight as other readers might. And that is a huge aspect of Louis’ struggle with vampiring and giving into his vampire nature, being in direct conflict with the most important of commandments, Thou Shalt Not Kill (in conjunction with Thou Shalt Not Steal, bc this kind of killing is doing both). 

Here’s one definition I found for climax, the noun: “the most intense, exciting, or important point of something; a culmination or apex.” For me, that moment could be a catalyst, too, changing a character to some extent, could be a drastic re-calibration of their inner dialogue with themselves, reconfiguration of their moral values, etc. 

I’m not quite sure which scene in IWTV (book or movie) that would be for you, but for me, one of the most intense moments was when Louis found Madeleine and Claudia’s ashes:

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First is denial. 

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It’s in this moment that Louis has lost the most precious person, the one who’s told him what to do, someone he could worship and follow, someone who metered out his doses of happiness with her approval. 

He’s also lost his own

(and very first!)

fledgling, and even though in both the book and the movie there doesn’t appear to be much attachment to between them, @vampchronfic/@gairid‘s headcanons about that have convinced me that there IS a bond, deep and invisible, created in the act of turning. Maker and fledgling are drawn together. Something like the attachment between a mother and her child, perhaps more powerful bc (hopefully) the giving of the Dark Gift was a consensual act between adults. It’s even more cruel in the movie bc she dies the same night she was turned, talk about bad life choices.

ANYWAY.

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He holds off on the anger for now, goes straight to bargaining. He reaches out to touch them, maybe he thinks there’s some way to save them still? Or maybe the ashes are just on the surface, maybe Claudia and Madeleine are still intact under there? It feels like a nightmare and he wants to prove it’s not real.

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But it is real, and they crumble, and everything that they were is gone.

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This, his lightest touch, it’s heartbreaking, their final destruction at his own hand ;A;

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Depression and acceptance. It’s real, they’re beyond saving, he’s failed them both in so many ways. The only thing left is (anger stage) revenge against this injustice, against the Theatre troupe, and once that’s accomplished, against himself. 

So I’d say this was a climax bc it acted as a catalyst for Louis, he finally burst into action because of this, and any remaining illusions he had about vampiring and immortality were shattered. He’s 1,000% done and he’s gonna go out in a blaze of fiery glory punishment.

Lestat, I’ve always wondered: Do different humans taste different? Like, if you happened upon some spilled blood and tasted it, could you tell who it was from provided you’d had blood from them in the past? What about other species? Can you tell if a person is a witch or a werewolf etc, by their blood?

//ooc; I don’t know enough about the science with blood, but in my opinion, yes, humans taste different to vampires based at least partially on that person’s diet, and I headcanon that they do things to affect the flavor when they feel like going to the effort, like getting their victims drunk or aroused or terrified or whatever.

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[X Someone has a sweet tooth fang.]

If placed before him, yes, I think Lestat would have to have previously tasted that blood if he’s trying to identify it. And it would have to be somewhat fresh, I would think dead or dried blood loses a lot of its flavor (and it’s pretty unappealing to vampires anyway).

With mortals, Ricean vampires are supposed to have perfect memories, and I do think Lestat has his favorite types of mortals and/or ways to flavor them with specific drinks/foods/ or provoking them into specific emotions, and he has favorite mortals he visits repeatedly for Little Drinks (unbeknownst to them, probably).

Werewolves might have something of the wolf taste in them and that would be noticeable to a vampire as odd for a human. So yes, I think Lestat could tell if someone was a werewolf.

With witches, I think they would fall under the “if Lestat has tasted their blood before, he can identify them,” but I don’t think there is anything specific to witch blood that would let him know it’s a witch, since witches are mortals who practice a religion. I don’t know enough about witches to know if it changes their blood physically, but if it does, vampires would probably notice.