What’s your opinion about the VC lack of PoC characters?

One can criticize a work, create AU fanworks of it, or create an entirely original work. I would encourage everyone to write the story they want to read. Be the change you want to see in the world!

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(^Unfortunately, many PoC in VC have unhappy endings. Keep in mind that she’s an evildoer in the book, which wasn’t explicitly stated in the movie. She murdered her clients.) 

I’m a straight white lady, but I can understand how frustrating it must be to see one of your favorite authors release novel after novel in one of your favorite series and feel left out of the story bc your race/gender/etc. is not represented (or it’s fetishized, or represented negatively). I can understand how it might feel like the author is saying that you don’t exist (or matter enough) to them to place someone like you on their stage. It may be that they would love to write about a character like you but don’t have the knowledge/confidence/etc. to do the character the justice they need. 

However, in my opinion, an author is not a vending machine. No matter how successful they are, an author is not required to cater to their readership. Sometimes they make an effort to do so, as in the case with J.K. Rowling supporting her readers in their headcanon of Hermione Granger as a PoC. (Another concise article on that here: X).

AR has always advised us to write the story we would want to read. Publishing houses turned her work down for years until she found one that chose her story for what it was. Knopf felt her story would sell really well so they took the gamble on it. A publishing house doesn’t want to invest huge sums of money in something unless they think the odds are very good that they’ll make a worthwhile profit. I would ask that the criticism be leveled more towards publishers than the authors of stories which lack representation.

In this day and age it is easier than ever before to self-publish and get your story out there. Anna Todd did that with her One Direction fan fiction, “After”, and here’s a quote from AR (w/ my underlines) about it bc I feel it’s relevant here: [X

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In the same post, AR writes: “And in this great world in which we live, no writer is really in direct competition with any other writer. There’s room for us all. We can each try our personal best to write the books of our dreams and to become the writers of our dreams. And I’m really glad Fifty Shades came along. I am happy for E.L. James. And I’m happy for all the people who like “Fifty Shades.“ ”

“…The amazing thing about the writing world is that there has always been a lot of room in it, and a lot of heartbreak. We’re never directly in competition with some one who makes it big; there are so many avenues, so many spots on the bestseller lists of the world…… We’re really in competition with ourselves, driven to outdo ourselves. That’s how I see it anyway.”

So, write the story you want to see in the world! If it’s compelling, others will want to read it, too.

List of more VC PoC under the cut. 

(Not including PL characters bc there are so many! And some ppl do not recognize PL as canon. Go to wiki for those.)

David Talbot – he becomes Anglo-Indian

Davis – from the Fang Gang, not explicitly stated other than “black,” so African American, possibly.

Merrick Mayfair – mixed race 

Tarquin Blackwood (I think he is, can’t remember specifically), and other supporting characters in Blackwood Farm.

Akasha – from Egypt

Enkil – from Egypt

Khayman – from Egypt

Avicus – from Egypt

Azim – 

Himalayan? Maybe? He has bronze skin. That’s where his temple is. 

Benji – Arab, Bedouin 

Eudoxia – Can’t remember specifically, but I think she is a VoC. She is described as having white skin, but that may be due to her age (centuries old already when Marius meets her).

Hey so I really want to make VC fanart. Does Anne Rice still do legal things when she finds out? I know that all happened a while ago (wayyyyyy before my time in being in fandoms) and I know there is fanart and fanfic out there but I am still paranoid.

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^This is a legit screencap from her FB page, I just added the highlight. For the record, AR loves fanart, so keep it coming! ☆° 。:.゚ヽ(´∀`。)ノ゚.:。+゚ ☆

As for the fanfic, here’s my long post on it, with a bunch of her statements about it, but basically, she ignores fanfic:

“I got upset about 20 years ago because I thought it would block me,” she says. “However, it’s been very easy to avoid reading any, so live and let live.

If I were a young writer, I’d want to own my own ideas. But maybe fan fiction is a transitional phase: whatever gets you there, gets you there.” – Anne Rice, Nov. 2012.

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Still, her POTP occasionally bring things to her attention needlessly (like this blog post about someone’s bad experience in VC RP), with overly polite language like, “Anne, I hope that you’re aware that…” trying to provoke a response out of her. She still has rights and a lot more money than we do, so it’s important that we respect her. 

fandoms you’re in now?

Confession time: I don’t consider myself really ~in~ any other fandom. Just Vampire Chronicles.

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Here’s some of the other fandoms I like to watch from a distance. I put an * on ones I guess I might qualify to be in, and/or that I feel obligated to watch/read when I see them. I think what I like best about other fandoms is finding more excellent fanartists and shipping discourse.

[Oh! Just remembered, you might want to check out my huge recc list]

Media in no special order:

  • Tom Cruise* – yeah I am a low-level Cruiser, throw in most of his 80′s and 90′s movies here in this bullet ^_____^
  • Tom Hiddleston – *sighs*
  • What We Do in the Shadows*
  • Only Lovers Left Alive*
  • Crimson Peak
  • Sherlock Holmes* (RDJ movies, mainly)
  • Hannibal* – primarily the TV series and secondarily the movies
  • Marvel movies (w/ subcategories for ships: Stucky, Stony, ummmm I like all the ships, really!)
  • Disney* 
  • Pixar too, but not as much as the 2D traditional Disney movies. 
  • The Shining*
  • American Psycho
  • Jurassic Park
  • The Walking Dead*
  • The Office
  • Arrested Development
  • Dr. Katz
  • Home Movies
  • Star Wars (movies only, not comics or novels)
  • Lord of the Rings trilogy (movies only)
  • South Park
  • Attack on Titan/SnK
  • Sailor Moon 
  • Studio Ghibli, Miyazaki
  • the X-Files (the older series!)
  • the Addams Family (I love the Adult Wednesday youtube person!)
  • the Lost Boys
  • Edward Scissorhands

Other stuff in no special order:

  • CATS
  • FASHION
  • Goth goth
  • Halloween stuff
  • candles
  • photography/aesthetic stuff
  • glassware, handblown glass
  • architecture
  • animation in general
  • concept art/behind the scenes info
  • vintage portrait photography and art
  • classical art and sculpture
  • Places: Paris, New Orleans, France (<–duh), Greece, Rome, Italy, New Zealand, California, NYC.

I don’t think I have enough depth of knowledge* of other media to consider myself a real part of their fandoms, but I like other media, obviously, and I sometimes reblog it here under #Not VC along with other Not VC things. #VC Adjacent is for things that are evocative of a VC feel, even if only in the remotest way!

Admittedly, my standards are VERY high re: “depth of knowledge,” but the amount I do know about others might qualify me as being considered “in” some other fandoms. What even qualifies you to be IN a fandom? Just liking a thing? Or having headcanons about it? Enjoying discourse about it? IDK.

Benji was a Vampire of Color too! I’m pretty sure that he’s Arabian, “Beduin,” but he’s definitely Middle Eastern/Western Asian.

Yes, there are other VoCs in the series! I was trying to only mention a few so as not to spoil that anon, who is new in the fandom and has not read all the books yet!

I should have double-checked re: Benji’s race before posting. Pardon the error 😛

But I still disapprove of his unhealthy attachment to fedoras.

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As an Anglo-Indian myself I was SO excited that there was an Anglo-Indian character in my favourite books! We’re such as small culture on to our own, almost a sub-culture, not many people know about us. It felt SO good to be acknowledged. (I know this isn’t so relevant, but I needed to express haha)

That’s great to hear! It’s absolutely and totally relevant! 

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In truth, we know very little about the upbringing and life of this Anglo-Indian fictional character. I would hope that the way he is portrayed will be something Anglo-Indian ppl can embrace, but you may take it as a form of cultural appropriation, the way that David essentially becomes Anglo-Indian. 

(*EDITED FOR INACCURACY)

To the anon: David Talbot/The Body Thief whose name I can’t remember now are described as anglo indian with caramel skin.

Yes, there are definitely more VoC (vampires of color!) in VC, I only made an example of one, so as not to spoil that anon too much, as they are just starting the series 😉

Decided to compile more facts here about David’s appearance for future reference, bolded mentions of his skin.

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Tale of the Body Thief, David describes him:

‘Mother an Anglo-Indian, which may
explain the exceptionally beautiful complexion you’re describing, and which I can see here plainly enough.
Father a London cabbie who died in jail.’ “

Lestat describes him AT LENGTH in TOBT so I just picked a few relevant bits: 

“…thick, wavy brown hair.” … “…brown eyes and smooth youthful mouth.”

“The thick glossy hair, the
uncommonly smooth and satin like skin. The exceptional beauty.”

“He was a little taller than I am, six feet two, I
figured, and he was extremely well built, as I’d seen before. I’d been right about the age. The body couldn’t
have been more than twenty-five years old.”

“… The fabric of the
turtleneck shirt showed his muscles to great advantage, and the clean white cotton made his skin seem all
the more richly colored, almost a dark golden brown.”

“… Indeed, late adolescence had only just completed itself in this young male form, though I hadn’t
thought about it before. It was in every sense only just finished, like a coin with the first clear impression
stamped upon it and not a single tiny scratch of true wear.”

Hello! :) So I’m /very/ new to the VC fanbase and I was wondering, are there any vampires whom are PoC? If not, have you ever imagined what they looked like? Usually one describes vampires as having porcelain white skin, very pale, but if vampires really exist, then there has got be at least one vampire out there who is a person of color, right?

Welcome! Get ready for a Wall of Text™!

The short answer is: Yes, there are PoC vampires in VC (”VoC,” right? Vampires of Color?). There aren’t many in the recurring character cast but they’re in the series! Here’s one in

Queen of the Damned:

“Davis was a black Dead guy and one damned good-looking black Dead guy,… His skin had a gold glow to it, the Dead glow which in the case of white Dead guys made them look like they were standing in a fluorescent light all the time.”

Have I ever imagined what they looked like? I think that was a pretty good description, because other than the “gold glow,” I would describe a PoC vampire like I would a PoC person, with the features that they have!

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[^X] Akasha is an Egyptian VoC, described in the novels as having porcelain white skin, and this is a point of contention in the VC fandom, that AR has whitewashed her. I don’t have a stand on this but I very much like the way that it was handled in movie!QOTD. 

It’s worth noting that there is a debate as to what color the Ancient Egyptians’ skin really was, and I added a bit from 2 articles under the cut which might be of interest to you. 

Akasha is also very old, and Ricean vampire physiology involves the lightening of the skin over time. This is another point of contention in the VC fandom, again, it appears on the surface to be AR whitewashing a PoC. 

I would suggest that the draining of pigmentation is due to the lack of exposure to sunlight, as we can see in examples in nature of subterranean animals who have evolved over time to be light-colored

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^LOOKIT THIS CUTIE A Namib desert golden mole [X]

From Wiki:

Subterranean fauna are animals that have adapted to live underground… troglofauna are associated with caves and spaces above the water table … Adaptations to the subterranean environment include a heightened sense of hearing, touch and smell[1]… and loss of under-used or unnecessary senses, apparent in the lack of pigmentation and eyesight of most subterranean fauna.

^So maybe AR drew a little from there. Why a lack of pigmentation? I found an interesting study/article (In the Light of Evolution: Volume IV: The Human Condition) on that, too, which points to the lack of sunlight as the cause:

Observers beginning with Hippocrates in the fifth century associated human traits and temperament with the environment and recognized that skin color was part of this package (Isaac, 2004). The association of dark skin pigmentation with intense sunshine and heat was further developed by Aristotle and his followers as part of a comprehensive “climatic theory,” which related human features, dispositions, and cultures to the environment.

…The evolution of light pigmentation at high latitudes has long been related to the significance of production of vitamin D in the skin under conditions of reduced sunlight (Murray, 1934; Loomis, 1967).

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^I would suggest that the vampiric parasite is always working on converting its host into a better vampire (and less of a mortal) cell by cell, and the process is accelerated too much by the UV rays in sunlight, which causes their skin to burn. Being unable to tolerate the discomfort, the vampire skin gradually drains of color due to lack of exposure to sunlight. 

The rate at which they lose pigmentation and how much pigment is lost varies by individual. It’s also possible that some vampires retain a skin color that is similar to their mortal skin color. It’s not an exact science.

There are also examples of vampire skin becoming darker after surviving exposure to sunlight.

Hope that helped! Hit the jump for stuff about Egyptian skin color.

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From an Observation Deck article:

…ancient Egyptians didn’t really perceive themselves as either “black” or “white.” Just look at the above painting from Pharaoh Seti I’s tomb. The top right group, with the palest skin are Libyans (Berbers), the next one over to the left are Nubians, followed by “Asiatics” (Mesopotamians). The bottom central group are Egyptians. By their own perception Egyptians were neither particularly dark nor particularly pale, and given their xenophobic attitude towards outside cultures (which was fairly common for most ancient peoples) they would probably resent being sorted into either “race.”

So why does this matter? Why is it important that we acknowledge the Egyptians don’t fit into our constructed dichotomy of black vs. white, of European or African? Well, for one thing many modern Egyptians find it kind of offensive. Despite their modern self-identification as Arabs, most Egyptians still feel a strong claim to the historical legacy of their ancient forebears and find it pretty annoying when American scholars (and, black or white, it is mostly Americans) try to pigeonhole the pharaohs into one racial category or another for political purposes.

From Wiki:

The race and skin color of Cleopatra, the last pharaoh of the Greek Ptolomaic dynasty of Egypt, established in 323 BCE, has also caused frequent debate.[46] For example, the article Was Cleopatra Black? was published in Ebony magazine in 2012,[47] and an article about Afrocentrism from the St. Louis Post-Dispatch mentions the question, too.[48] Scholars generally identify Cleopatra as of Greek and Persian ancestry, based on fact that her Greek Macedonian family had intermingled with the Persian aristocracy of the time. However, her mother’s identity is uncertain,[49] and that of her paternal grandmother is also not known for certain.[50]

I think Louis’ long hair is amazingly beautiful and it makes him look super sexy. Does he ever let you brush it Lestat?

♛*stretches out on the couch* How I’ve missed answering questions for you darlings. Been nearly a month. Louis and I have been off the grid.

We’re back now, for the time being. He’s sitting beside me now rolling his eyes at your comment, but I’m defending you! His hair is absolutely – positively – amazingly beautiful, although not as gorgeous as mine, of course. Mine is more of an experience than a simple physical material. 

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You know, now that I’m reflecting on it, his hair looks most sexy when it’s wet, either damp from the misty rain we get in New Orleans, or when it’s made almost liquid in some secluded pool rigged with lighting under the surface. He likes to swim under water, and when his head rises above the surface, the way his hair sweeps forward around his neck… it’s almost as if it moves under his command, as part of his own personal brand of witchcraft. Very sexy when it’s sticking in vein-shapes to his flesh from bloodsweat… *flicks at his fang* Now you’ve got me drooling. How embarrassing…

*Adjusts position, wipes at his chin, composes himself* Of course he lets me brush his hair! Louis prefers a wide-toothed comb or finger-combing. He dislikes the chemical fragrances of your usual modern haircare products, but every so often I earn the reward of sharing a steaming hot bath in which I am permitted to lather his hair up with organic shampoo and conditioner. Lately, he prefers these almond or mint scented.

I tend not to brush my hair often, as it separates the twists, but I do love to have it pulled when we are engaged in that special kind of heated debate… And fortunately for me, he loves to pull it. 

Thank you so much! (I was the theme anon), I always try to remember that what I read and watch is fictional (I’ve always been a very over-empathetic person and issues like child exploitation hits hard). I’ll still continue to read the series, iwtv was so beautiful written, just wanted some clarification :) thanks!

Glad that response clarified things and that you’re sticking with it. I really appreciate your followup message!

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Just because you read something doesn’t mean you endorse it. When things get too squicky for me, I “eat around” them, like you’d eat around the bruised areas of a banana. A whole banana is not ruined by a few bruises for me, but I can understand and I don’t judge if it ruins it for others.

Hi! I was just hoping to clear things up. I follow Anne on FB and today I saw a post about Lestat. And one of the replies were something along the lines of Lestat was evil, a pedophile and incestuous. This wasn’t an accusation and the person didn’t post it in attempt to call out Lestat, it was like causally stating facts, I just wanted to know how true is this? I just finished IWTV and I LOVED Lestat, but pedophilia/incest are really 2 themes in lit that make a book difficult to enjoy for me.

I’m sorry that you may have to stop reading the series. 

Whether there is pedophilia/incest in the novels depends on your definition of those things, and also your headcanons about the characters. 

Low-level spoiling here as a kind of trigger warning:

Incest: Technically, almost every vampire is made by a vampire to be their companion. Makers and fledglings have a parent-child relationship because of the nature of the Dark Gift. So every relationship that continues from that point is technically incestuous. Louis is Lestat’s child in this way.

The person who commented in that thread was probably referring more specifically to Lestat’s relationship with his mother, Gabrielle. While they do not have penetrative sex, they are far more intimate than a mother and son should be. I won’t spoil it further for you. You have to read TVL.

Pedophilia: There are several underage fictional characters throughout the series and they are sometimes spoken of in a sexualized manner (Claudia, for example), and/or have non-consensual, dubiously consensual, and consensual sex (well, a child cannot truly give consent, you would have to read The Vampire Armand to better understand the consent from the underage characters) with adult fictional characters. 

If those topics make it difficult for you to enjoy the books, then I think you might consider not reading them further.

I found this great essay by Warren Ellis. It might help you. Here’s a taste, with my emphasis added in bold:

“… Fiction is how we both study and de-fang our monsters. To lock violent fiction away, or to close our eyes to it, is to give our monsters and our fears undeserved power and richer hunting grounds.“

“I don’t understand.” How many times have you read that in conjunction with a violent act?

“I don’t understand why he did it.” Or “I don’t understand why this happened.” Sammy Yatim, shot dead and then tasered by police on a Toronto streetcar, and even the chair of the Police Services Board asks, “How could this happen?”

….Here in Britain, our weakling government is attempting to launch a web filter that would somehow erase “violent material” from Internet provision — placing it, by association, in the same category as child pornography. Every week seems to bring a new attempt to ban something or other because it’s uncomfortably or scary or perhaps even indefensibly disgusting.

….we generally demonize violent acts and violent work. We make them Other, and we just distance ourselves. They are Other, and they didn’t come from us, and we’re just going to stand over there and shake our heads sadly. And, moreover, anyone who gets closer to it in order to experience or understand it must be a freak.

…The function of fiction is being lost in the conversation on violence. My book editor, Sean McDonald, thinks of it as “radical empathy.” Fiction, like any other form of art, is there to consider aspects of the real world in the ways that simple objective views can’t — from the inside. We cannot Other characters when we are seeing the world from the inside of their skulls. This is the great success of Thomas Harris’s Hannibal Lecter, both in print and as so richly embodied by Mads Mikkelsen in the Hannibal television series: For every three scary, strange things we discover about him, there is one thing that we can relate to. The Other is revealed as a damaged or alienated human, and we learn something about the roots of violence and the traps of horror.

… Fiction is how we both study and de-fang our monsters. To lock violent fiction away, or to close our eyes to it, is to give our monsters and our fears undeserved power and richer hunting grounds.”