Do you know of any vampire clichès? (I know that you may not have read that much vampire fiction, but I need to know all the clichès to avoid, it’s for a book.)

Oh man, that is a lot to ask, and you’re correct in that I have not consumed a wide range of vampire media, especially in terms of historical/geographical/etc. 

@thebibliosphere, @annabellioncourt, @gothiccharmschool, @forthegothicheroine, @fyeahgothicromance might have a post with this or similar info.

TL;DR: I don’t think you need to worry about avoiding

clichés, tho. I think you should take Anne Rice’s advice and “write the book you want to read.” It worked well enough for her!


What exactly is a cliché? Wiki says: 

“A cliché or cliche is an expression, idea, or element of an artistic work which has become overused to the point of losing its original meaning or effect, even to the point of being trite or irritating, especially when at some earlier time it was considered meaningful or novel.”

Vampire fiction is so varied and has so many different rules compared to its first inception that I think it’s pretty free of ideas/elements that have “become overused to the point of losing their original meaning or effect, even to the point of being trite or irritating.”

One cliché is the “I vaaant to suck your blooood!” line that a vampire might say to a victim, originating in vampire movies from decades ago, but it’s more of a comical thing now. It can also be modified slightly to increase the comedy:

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[^X piece of a comic by @heckifiknowcomics]

I will say that some of my fave vampire media takes existing clichés and/or rules/conventions about vampires, and interprets it in a different way or ignores it completely.


I think it’s more important to consider existing conventions/rules, and how your vampires will operate within them, if at all. I have some stuff mixed into my #vampire physiology tag, but not a complete list.

A few conventions/rules are already widely varied in different vampire media:

  • Vampires can’t walk around in sunlight –

    In most vampire media, vampires exposing themselves to sunlight will get them severely burned or killed immediately.

    In Byzantium, I think they can walk around in sunlight with no problems at all.

    In Twilight, the vampires are physically able to do so, but they’re dazzling in the sunlight, so they stand out as non-human when they do (and that’s bad bc revealing themselves as non-human could risk harm from mortals). 

  • Vampires require blood to survive, but they are immortal, so “survive” is more like, “a healthy vampire is one that is feeding on a regular basis, but it’s not a requirement.” – I can’t think of an example of vampires that die from not drinking blood regularly… but I think the What We Do in the Shadows and Only Lovers Left Alive vampires will rapidly weaken if they don’t feed often.
  • Vampires don’t have reflections in mirrors – the Bram Stoker’s Dracula (1992), What We Do in the Shadows, and

    Only Lovers Left Alive

    vampires

    don’t have reflections, but the Interview with the Vampire ones definitely do.

  • Vampires have to be invited into their victim’s home – Only seen this being an issue in the two adaptations of Let the Right One In.
  • Vampires are harmed by crosses/crucifixes – Saw this as an issue in the What We Do in the Shadows vampires, that it frightens Deacon that he might be in close proximity to a cross, but it’s unclear what would happen if he touched it. In Fright Night, a vampire touching a cross ignites it in flames but it doesn’t seem to stop him from continuing to attack.
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[^X by @horroredits]

So what I’m saying is that you can explore different conventions/rules of vampires and then pick and choose which you’ll incorporate into your vampires, or invent whole new rules! 

hey can u please post the post where anne talks about armands voice and accent, i cant find it :(

@claudia-lilvampire shared this link, which is from Crónicas Vampíricas de Anne Rice, and it’s in Spanish. Google translate offers this translation:

i-want-my-iwtv:

I don’t think I have that, you’ll have to dig around on her Facebook 😛 

^Does anyone know of this post? Let me know. 

In the meantime, there was some discussion about his accent on this post and tbh I probably trust fandom more than Anne on this.

Armand has no accent. You can speak any language to perfection. His English, for example, is soft, fresh, and perfect. Maybe his articulation is a little old, and formal. He has a perfect ear.

Do you not mind passing on this message to ElicaDonce (I think that’s how you spell it.) At first, I thought your art was pictures taken by a camera, but then I realized it was painted. Your art is amazing! (Thank you!)

Thanks, anon! Very kind of you. It looks like eliciadonze’s ask box is closed, so I will tag them here, @eliciadonze and hope that they see this post with your message!

♥♥♥

You can also email them; a screencap of their header with their email address is below the cut. I have emailed them in the past and not received a reply, so I don’t know how often they check it or if they reply to messages, so I will not be emailing them your message.

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Do you know any blogs that rp as louis

It’s a touchy subject, recommending blogs, as inevitably I’ll leave someone out and then they may feel, well, LEFT OUT :-

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(BTW I respond to asks for Louis with ♠ in the #louis muse tag, so you can ask him things, but he can’t go on to do full threads)

I don’t follow as many RP blogs as I used to, it was too much to keep up with the various threads, some have gone inactive, new ones have started up… All attempts to make VC directories usually fail.

However, and that said, so you know I’m not playing favorites, there are some I remember by name or saw in the notes for this roundup post, and so I tagged them below, but this is an incomplete list. Let’s make this an Ask Louis and Louis RPer roundup! People Off The Page, reblog/comment with any Ask Louis and Louis RPer blog I left out 😉

(active-status not guaranteed):

On the back of the excellent swap fic where Armand was the mortal and Daniel the vampire (forgot who wrote it, sorry!!) do you have any AU fic recommendations??

I think the excellent swap fic where Armand was the mortal and Daniel the vampire (I’m using your words bc I haven’t had a chance to read it!! BUT I WILLLL) was @monstersinthecosmos‘ “quinque plus unum,” a gift for @sheepskeleton as part of the @vcsecretgifts exchange ❤

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[X @umawhen you find a really good alternative universe fanfiction]

BTW quinque plus unum inspired fanart! #i love it when fanworks inspire other fanworks ❤  


OK SO, /OTHER/ VC AUs

(TBH I am not current with AO3, so this is a tragically short list, anyone is welcome to reblog/comment with more suggestions, preferably from AO3 bc that site protects its ficwriters. FF.net and Wattpad suggestions are also welcome.)

  • Signature Blend – Of course I have to start the list off with the collab I did with Rebness/@wicked-felina, Coffeeshop AU. Slow-burn longfic ;D 

    The Last Drop is technically a few scenes that didn’t fit into the main story, but could be read on their own as stand-alone AU if you’re looking for smtg shorter.

  • The Grim Brothers by Rebness/@wicked-felina​ – incomplete but it’s a fun little werewolf AU! I hope the author picks it up again someday *NUDGES*
  • @superhiki recently did a short fic fill for a prostitute/client au prompt, Louis/Armand, I hope there’s more to come on that *NUDGES*
  • Interview with the Frat Boy the_corinthian – This is a WILD ride, a college AU. It’s silly and unashamed about it’s silliness. A few of its tags say it all: #No Homo #Yes homo #Heavy Drinking #Drunk!Louis #General douchebaggery #several different and uniquely poor kinds of childcare
  • Interview with a Cannibal or Appointment with a Vampire by (?) – was a Hannibal/VC crossover, so not really an AU, but I can’t find it to link you. Might have been taken down ;A; REMEMBER TO DOWNLOAD AND SAVE FANWORKS U LIKE!!

  • The Hostile Takeover by StellaMachiavelli (@stellamachiavelliici)is a legendary fic. “Lestat de Lioncourt is a high-flying businessman out for revenge on ruthless boss Santino, with the help of his best friend David Talbot. There’s just one complication: on Santino’s side is Lestat’s ex, Louis de Pointe du Lac.”
  • To Die as Lovers May by @goth-mabel inspired this fanart by @13bels, and I haven’t read this series of cis-swapped fics, but @13bels describes it: “very thoughtfully written, drama-filled as our vampires are known to be, and an engaging read, if it’s your cup of tea! Although, it does contain triggering content, so please proceed with caution and read the tags if you haven’t read it and would like to. I enjoyed it especially! I love seeing this trope be experimented with <3″

I’m up for Daniel being Black in the adaptation. His race isn’t mentioned specifically in the books, and we need diversity in an ocean of white Eurotrash fops! I don’t see any reason why not and Bryan cast the lead in American Gods as black so I’m hopeful to see some good changes in Anne’s work. What do you think?

I have to say I’ve never gotten a race casting suggestion quite like this before! So this is a first ^_________^ It’s especially appropriate to answer it on MLK Jr. day here in the U.S., when we reflect on the progress we’ve made and how far we still need to go in pursuit of an equal society for all. 

EDIT: @firelight-fading had given us The Vampire Chronicles Facebook Interview **Recap**(5/4/17) in which we got this info:

  • Some characters may change where “ethnicity is flexible” 
  • Anne and Chris agree that POC being casted are important and will be considered in casting. The Millennial vamps (older gang) will most likely be largely POC.
  • Marius was played by a black man in the musical and Anne thought he did a great job. Marius can be any ethnicity so long as he’s half Roman. She’d prefer to have Marius as blue eyes and blonde haired like Lestat but it’s “not imperative for him”.

  • Anne and Chris to be inclusive, but will always focus more on how fine the actor is. Talent is needed to get the role, not just looks.

TL;DR #1:

You might be right about Daniel’s race not being explicitly stated in canon, and if it were up to me, I would be open to considering a POC to be cast as Daniel, or other characters. Any adaptation provides a chance to improve on canon the way fanfic/fanart do 😉

TL;DR #2:

However, casting Daniel as a POC may introduce racial considerations that AR & Co. are not capable of addressing well, especially during the mortal!Daniel/Armand time period (1975-85), a decade in the U.S. when interracial relationships were still somewhat taboo. Since we have our fair share of racial issues now, too, whether

AR & Co.

shift the Modern Era to now, or leave it 1975-85, racial issues would still need to be addressed.

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[^Everyone loves John Boyega and he would cost a bazillion dollars to cast in anything now, but I saw him in the movie “Attack the Block” years ago in which he’s more like Daniel to me, and I think he was great in that, dealing with packs of

weird

roving aliens, and I think he’d do well with

weird roving

vampires! So yes, as a casting suggestion, Boyega would be my first POC choice for Daniel.]

BTW @shomacsalami had posted a suggestion for an R&B musical of Vampire Chronicles you might be interested in:

  • Usher as Lestat
  • Drake as Louis
  • Willow Smith as Claudia
  • Elle Varner as Armand  
  • Trey Songz as Marius
  • The Weeknd as Nicolas de Lenfent
  • Kelly Rowland as Bianca Solderini
  • Miguel as Daniel Molloy
  • Nicki Minaj as Akasha
  • Ciara as Pandora
  • Janelle Monae as Maharet
  • Rihanna as Madeleine (my addition ^u^)

An adaptation is a director/showrunner’s vision for the canon material. It’s like an official fanwork. Some changes to canon in an adaptation are for the better, but “better” is subjective, of course. We tend to consider the opinion as objective when the majority agrees on the change being “better.”

  • Claudia was aged up by about 6 years for movie!IWTV, bc they couldn’t find a child close to the canon age who could act better than Kirsten. For that role, I think the performance was more important than the canon-compliance, and her being closer to achieving physical maturity made her more tragic ;A;
  • Armand was aged up and physically very different, the director may have wanted him to be more convincing as Armand-the-oldest-living-vampire-in-the-world to audiences who had not read the books. Many fans of the books STILL DO NOT LIKE this change.
  • Claudia’s Story was an official VC graphic novel, since by nature it was from Claudia’s POV, some of the narrative from IWTV was altered or removed entirely. Was it for the better? I felt like we got a better understanding of Claudia’s character, so maybe it was, but for me, it relies on and coexists with IWTV, it’s a slightly different story.
  • Movie!QOTD changed many things from canon, including making Akasha visibly a POC, even though she is described in canon as being white from age and *handwaves* AR’s vampire physiological reasons. I think many ppl would agree with me that that change was definitely for the better, but many of the other changes in that movie? Not as good, but some ppl love that movie and/or consider it nostalgic. 

So could a POC Daniel be good for the adaptation? I can’t pick a side so I’ll say: Possibly!

Hit the jump for more, cut for length.


1) You’re right that we don’t have much diversity in canon 😛 This casting could add a new dimension to the Armand/Daniel ship that wasn’t there before. According to Wiki:

Interracial marriage in the United States has been fully legal in all U.S. states since the 1967 Supreme Court decision that deemed anti-miscegenation laws unconstitutional, with many states choosing to legalize interracial marriage at much earlier dates.

Daniel meeting Armand in 1975 would mean that interracial marriage had been fully legal for less than a decade. From 1975-85, their “courtship,” I think it was a time when interracial relationships were still somewhat taboo in society, at least in the U.S., and it still is taboo in some places in the U.S. and around the world. So that would need to be carefully addressed. Or they could change the time period to be more current, but I would say that we have different race issues now that would need to be addressed, no less pressing than in 1985. 


2) Anne, Bryan*, Chris**, & Co. may not be equipped to handle racial issues very well. Anne has gotten criticism from fans, at least from what I’ve seen here on tumblr, that when she writes POC she “fetishizes” them. I haven’t fully accepted that term itself, but I can agree that AR often writes POC in a way that treats their superficial qualities as being overly sexy and appealing. I think she tries to address – but may not quite grasp – the deeper racial issues that could be addressed, but writing about POC issues is also something I am not well-educated about, so I wouldn’t know how to improve her writing of this subject matter.

Here’s an example of how she describes her POC characters, this is Davis, a black vampire in QOTD:

Davis was a black Dead guy and one damned good-looking black Dead guy, as Baby Jenks saw it. His skin had a gold glow to it, the Dead glow which in the case of white Dead guys made them look like they were standing in a fluorescent light all the time. Davis had beautiful eyelashes too, just damn near unbelievably long and thick, and he decked himself out in all the gold he could find. He stole the gold rings and watches and chains and things off the victims.

Choosing a race for a character whose race might appear open-ended in canon to make them Good Representation, could pose the risk of Bad Representation.

*I don’t know the American Gods series and I haven’t watched the adaptation, or heard reviews about the casting of a POC person specifically, so I don’t know if that’s a sign that it was a widely-agreed upon successful change to the canon material.

**Similarly, I haven’t read any of Chris’s books so idk if he even has POC in them.

Does the VC fandom have a drinking game for watching Interview With The Vampire?

Not that I know of, officially, but over the years I’ve collected some #VC Drinking Game posts, so check out that tag 😉

Check my #adult beverage tag for drink ideas, also, @blood-of-the-rose posted the vampires as (alcoholic) drinks, you might want to check that out.

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Here are MY rules (revised a little from how I’d posted them before):

GENERAL

  • One shot for every Dark Gift scene. 

LOUIS (he’s the main character so he gets most of the action here!)

  • Drink whenever Louis refuses to do so.
  • Drink whenever Louis is shown on his back. (THERE ARE SO MANY TIMES)
  • Drink whenever anyone touches Louis’s hair.
  • Drink whenever Louis sets something on fire or scythes off someone’s body part

  • Drink whenever Louis smiles (it’s rare, but it happens).

LESTAT

  • Re: Lestat getting mad, specifically: Drink whenever Lestat goes from Calm to ROYALLY Pissed in 0.5 seconds (there’s at least 3x!)

CLAUDIA

  • Drink for every on-screen dead body that Claudia is responsible for (ONE drink for the “killing a whole family” scene tho!).

OTHER

  • Drink when Daniel flips the cassette over
  • Drink when Armand passes his hand through the candle flame